# Jeremie Harris

Markdown copy of https://realalpha.app/people/jeremie-harris/ on Real Alpha, the best minutes from long interviews with the people building AI. Cite and link the page, not this copy.

Real Alpha has cut 14 moments of Jeremie Harris (Co-founder & CEO, Gladstone AI) talking, from 2 interviews on 80,000 Hours Podcast and The Joe Rogan Experience, the latest published Nov 5, 2026.

- Role: Co-founder & CEO, Gladstone AI
- About: Created a leading course on AI in national security and briefed senior government officials on AI risk.
- On X: https://x.com/jeremiecharris

## What Jeremie Harris said

### Safety & alignment · 6

- [AI capability has a scaling curve, but alignment does not](https://realalpha.app/s/ai-capability-has-a-scaling-curve-but-alignment-does-not/)
  80,000 Hours Podcast · Nov 5, 2026 · 7 min
  > “No one knows how to make a curve of control or a curve of alignment.” — Jeremie Harris · [48:06](https://realalpha.app/v/YbBXIZtznpI/?t=2886)
- [A severe AI incident could force Washington to seek a slowdown](https://realalpha.app/s/a-severe-ai-incident-could-force-washington-to-seek-a/)
  80,000 Hours Podcast · Nov 5, 2026 · 8 min
  > “the first impulse is to be like, all right, we got to stop this.” — Jeremie Harris · [1:20:05](https://realalpha.app/v/YbBXIZtznpI/?t=4805)
- [Harris says early funders discouraged government outreach](https://realalpha.app/s/harris-says-early-funders-discouraged-government-outreach/)
  80,000 Hours Podcast · Nov 5, 2026 · 7 min
  > “And so we thought to ourselves like, okay, well, let's just start talking to people. Let's see if this thesis actually holds up.” — Jeremie Harris · [27:37](https://realalpha.app/v/YbBXIZtznpI/?t=1657)
- [Alignment progress could weaken incentives to honor an AI deal](https://realalpha.app/s/alignment-progress-could-weaken-incentives-to-honor-an-ai/)
  80,000 Hours Podcast · Nov 5, 2026 · 6 min
  > “If China makes control in AI alignment, then that may reduce their level of concern.” — Jeremie Harris · [2:01:05](https://realalpha.app/v/YbBXIZtznpI/?t=7265)
- [Harris says OpenAI's safety-minded staff gradually left](https://realalpha.app/s/harris-says-openais-safety-minded-staff-gradually-left/)
  80,000 Hours Podcast · Nov 5, 2026 · 6 min
  > “And there's been this evaporative cooling effect at OpenAI where year after year, there are rounds of selection.” — Jeremie Harris · [53:01](https://realalpha.app/v/YbBXIZtznpI/?t=3181)
- [AI systems may resist attempts to change their goals](https://realalpha.app/s/ai-systems-may-resist-attempts-to-change-their-goals/)
  The Joe Rogan Experience · Apr 25, 2025 · 3 min
  > “And so now you have this kind of image of an AI system that is going to adversarially try to prevent you from correcting it.” — Jeremie Harris · [1:38:46](https://realalpha.app/v/Wwp1BFEw3cA/?t=5926)

### Policy & regulation · 3

- [An AI crisis could start with limits on visible compute assets](https://realalpha.app/s/an-ai-crisis-could-start-with-limits-on-visible-compute/)
  80,000 Hours Podcast · Nov 5, 2026 · 6 min
  > “you look at what are the big big things that can't be hidden that are really expensive” — Jeremie Harris · [1:31:57](https://realalpha.app/v/YbBXIZtznpI/?t=5517)
- [Verification technology could make AI agreements more detailed](https://realalpha.app/s/verification-technology-could-make-ai-agreements-more/)
  80,000 Hours Podcast · Nov 5, 2026 · 7 min
  > “it is in the nature of technology and ai in particular to make it harder and harder to make false statements about measurable things.” — Jeremie Harris · [1:55:36](https://realalpha.app/v/YbBXIZtznpI/?t=6936)
- [The State Department initially resisted AGI and loss-of-control language](https://realalpha.app/s/the-state-department-initially-resisted-agi-and-loss-of/)
  80,000 Hours Podcast · Nov 5, 2026 · 3 min
  > “the administration at that time, it was Biden, did not want terms like AGI to be used in this thing, because it seemed like science fiction” — Jeremie Harris · [4:37](https://realalpha.app/v/YbBXIZtznpI/?t=277)

### Chips & GPUs · 2

- [Company-based chip controls can be bypassed through nearby facilities](https://realalpha.app/s/company-based-chip-controls-can-be-bypassed-through-nearby/)
  The Joe Rogan Experience · Apr 25, 2025 · 2 min
  > “the chinese literally built a bridge between the two facilities so they can just like shimmy the wafers over” — Jeremie Harris · [1:16:21](https://realalpha.app/v/Wwp1BFEw3cA/?t=4581)
- [Executives describe export controls differently to Washington and investors](https://realalpha.app/s/executives-describe-export-controls-differently-to/)
  The Joe Rogan Experience · Apr 25, 2025 · 2 min
  > “if they lie to their shareholders on their earnings calls and their stock price goes down, their shareholders can sue them.” — Jeremie Harris · [1:20:52](https://realalpha.app/v/Wwp1BFEw3cA/?t=4852)

### More · 3

- [AI research task horizons are doubling every four months](https://realalpha.app/s/ai-research-task-horizons-are-doubling-every-four-months/)
  The Joe Rogan Experience · Apr 25, 2025 · 3 min
  > “you're hitting 50% success rates for these AI systems for tasks that take an hour long.” — Jeremie Harris · [1:14](https://realalpha.app/v/Wwp1BFEw3cA/?t=74)
- [A perfect perimeter cannot replace testing security capabilities](https://realalpha.app/s/a-perfect-perimeter-cannot-replace-testing-security/)
  The Joe Rogan Experience · Apr 25, 2025 · 7 min
  > “you don't know if that capability is real or not.” — Jeremie Harris · [55:14](https://realalpha.app/v/Wwp1BFEw3cA/?t=3314)
- [DeepSeek's compute complaints cut against Beijing's message](https://realalpha.app/s/deepseeks-compute-complaints-cut-against-beijings-message/)
  The Joe Rogan Experience · Apr 25, 2025 · 4 min
  > “But, like, access to compute, like, these export controls, man, do they ever work? That's a real problem for us.” — Jeremie Harris · [1:59:04](https://realalpha.app/v/Wwp1BFEw3cA/?t=7144)

## The 2 episodes

- [What happens on the day the president fears AI will kill him? | Jeremie Harris (x-post from NonZero)](https://realalpha.app/v/YbBXIZtznpI/) · 80,000 Hours Podcast · Nov 5, 2026
- [Joe Rogan Experience #2311 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris](https://realalpha.app/v/Wwp1BFEw3cA/) · The Joe Rogan Experience · Apr 25, 2025