# Katja Grace

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Real Alpha has cut 2 moments of Katja Grace (Co-founder & lead researcher, AI Impacts) talking, from an interview on 80,000 Hours Podcast published Sep 29, 2026.

- Role: Co-founder & lead researcher, AI Impacts
- About: Co-founded AI Impacts and leads research on AI forecasting and its likely impacts on society.
- On X: https://x.com/KatjaGrace

## What Katja Grace said

- [Racing China can increase the risks on both sides](https://realalpha.app/s/racing-china-can-increase-the-risks-on-both-sides/)
  80,000 Hours Podcast · Sep 29, 2026 · 5 min
  > “i guess it just seems like trying to race them mostly increases the chance of all of this stuff happening because it shortens timelines” — Katja Grace · [1:13:35](https://realalpha.app/v/FHCxnHU6jFQ/?t=4415)
- [Slower timelines could increase human power-grab risks](https://realalpha.app/s/slower-timelines-could-increase-human-power-grab-risks/)
  80,000 Hours Podcast · Sep 29, 2026 · 3 min
  > “So I do, I think that even in a slower scenario, you are increasing the background risk of extreme human power concentration as it plays out.” — Katja Grace · [17:20](https://realalpha.app/v/FHCxnHU6jFQ/?t=1040)

## The episode

- [AI Overlords vs Power-hungry Humans: Which Should Scare You More?](https://realalpha.app/v/FHCxnHU6jFQ/) · 80,000 Hours Podcast · Sep 29, 2026