# A 100-person cap can preserve a startup’s output

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- Speaker: [Kyle Vogt](https://realalpha.app/builders/kyle-vogt/) · Kyle Vogt is CEO of the Bot Company. · Co-founded Cruise, a self-driving car company GM acquired, and now leads The Bot Company's household robots.
- Host: [Jack Altman](https://realalpha.app/people/jack-altman/) · General partner, Benchmark · Co-founded Lattice and ran it until 2023, then started his fund, Alt Capital.
- Show: Uncapped
- Episode: [The Breakthrough For Home Robots with Kyle Vogt, CEO of the Bot Company | Ep. 32](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/), Nov 12, 2025
- Moment: 22:32 to 26:20 of the episode (4 min), playing on https://realalpha.app/s/a-100-person-cap-can-preserve-a-startups-output/; the episode from there: https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=1352

## Quote

> “the reason for trying to have a cap on the size of the company is to keep it so that we're always in that **pure high output zone**.”
> — [Kyle Vogt](https://realalpha.app/builders/kyle-vogt/) at [23:43](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=1423) · Uncapped

## Takeaways

1. Hire for exceptional fit in each role, not just general talent.
2. Keep the team small to limit layers and communication drag.
3. Partner on work that is not a core competency.

## About this segment

Kyle Vogt says a small, elite team can avoid the communication drag and management layers that come with growth. The constraint also pushes the company to partner on work outside its core strengths.

From “The Breakthrough For Home Robots with Kyle Vogt, CEO of the Bot Company | Ep. 32”, Nov 12, 2025. [Watch the full episode](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/)

## Transcript

Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.

[22:38](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=1358) want to be more than 100 people. Yeah. And first of all, I actually didn't know. Is that like literal or is that directional? To be to be seen. Yeah. I think right now we're taking it very seriously. So if that is actually your belief, and talk about why, but if that's actually your belief, then you make very different hiring decisions. It's like, well, you know, if I think about the future company having 100 people in it, I can allocate this many people to this type of role. That means every person in every seat has to be the best in the world at this for the company to be successful. And so you end up, you know, passing on a lot of people that are great people, really talented, but they're not, they're not at that specific level we want for that particular role and i think you know if you're successful in doing that you end up with

[23:17](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=1397) this there needs to be a name for it but like in the early days of a startup when everyone is like on the same page like maybe just the founders they're all in it 110 they're all usually like brilliant working together they're almost mind melded um and and then you have like insane productivity for some period of time and still you until you get bogged down by the organization growing and adding more functions and you know teams of people and management layers incentives get disconnected, you have communication issues.

[23:42](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=1422) And so you get this drift away from this pure force of energy that is in the beginning stage of a company. And so the reason for trying to have a cap on the size of the company is to keep it so that we're always in that pure high output zone. And you can't get that if you have too much of a range of people in the company. I really think of it more like a pro. sports team like you're not gonna have you know the lakers i think you're gonna have like lebron lebron james and a bunch of high school kids on the team it's like they're all players that are the best in the world so that you know when they work together as a team they can outperform a team that is like a mix of talents like if you have like the lebrons with the high school players like the lebrons are like what are we doing here yeah exactly they want to stay they're gonna they

[24:19](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=1459) want to go play with the best people in the world against the best people in the world and uh and that's how you get better and grow and you know people who are people who are the best in the world of what they do typically got there because they had this growth mindset that constantly want to get better and you know what better way to do that than to surround yourself with people of different skill sets that are all the best in the world at what they do and sort of absorb from that i think so much of what gets hard is as you start getting into like scaling operations and you get into like that side of things it just gets so hard to keep it really small you know like even you think about like let's say you only had like 10 non-engineering roles it's like well some someone's got to run finance they probably can't do it alone you've got like you're going to have

[24:55](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=1495) all these like physical parts you're gonna have to have buildings for things like so how do you think you'll actually try to keep a limit on that like will you partner do you go sort of like work with people outsource do you actually think that like you know maybe with like new ai tooling you could just go way further with people and it's just sort of like a demand deal place yeah it's a good question that's that's part of why i said to be seen like this is a great mental model now and it may not i think it's a great push and by the way i think most of the one of the healthiest changes I feel like I've seen from five years ago is the shift from thinking that like big teams are cool to thinking big teams are lame. Yeah. I mean, things seem to ebb and flow, right? Like I'm taking the extreme position here, but I do think if that has the effect of, you know, causing a small shift

[25:36](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=1536) in that direction, that's probably net good for the industry and good for these companies. So it'd be a question for us. Do we partner or outsource things? I think, you know, keeping the team small also forces you to focus on like, what are our core competencies, the things that we need to do uniquely, because we think we can actually do them better than any other company that we could potentially work with and you know for things like a lot of operations or facilities or you know buildings these are things where maybe we have no reason to think we would be the best in the world at this so we should partner and a lot of companies like they have lots of funding they have lots of teams like it's almost like they take on these responsibilities because they can not necessarily because they should I feel like one of the most important things which I think

[26:11](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=1571) you've obviously shipped in self-driving in a way that like you know very few have but I think in a