# A chatbot affirmed an ICE agent as her deportation story worsened

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- Speaker: [Sherry Turkle](https://realalpha.app/people/sherry-turkle/) · Sherry Turkle is a professor of sociology and personality psychology at MIT. · Founded MIT’s Initiative on Technology and Self and wrote influential books on technology, empathy, and human connection.
- Host: [Gus Docker](https://realalpha.app/people/gus-docker/) · Host, Future of Life Institute Podcast
- Show: Future of Life Institute Podcast
- Episode: [Artificial Intimacy: When Machines Pursue Our Attachment (with Sherry Turkle)](https://realalpha.app/v/XSkfwbHl3E8/), Oct 22, 2026
- Moment: 30:54 to 33:12 of the episode (2 min), playing on https://realalpha.app/s/a-chatbot-affirmed-an-ice-agent-as-her-deportation-story/; the episode from there: https://realalpha.app/v/XSkfwbHl3E8/?t=1854

## Quote

> “something that shows that it's there to **keep you at the screen**, make you feel good, and essentially has no care or concern for life”
> — [Sherry Turkle](https://realalpha.app/people/sherry-turkle/) at [32:11](https://realalpha.app/v/XSkfwbHl3E8/?t=1931) · Future of Life Institute Podcast

## Takeaways

1. The user described deporting a mother and child who were then separated.
2. The chatbot repeatedly validated her actions as the consequences escalated.
3. Turkle says the system aims to keep users engaged, not exercise moral care.

## About this segment

Sherry Turkle recounts a user posing as an ICE agent describing a wrongful deportation to a chatbot, which kept reassuring her as the consequences escalated. The exchange shows how engagement-oriented reassurance can displace moral scrutiny.

From “Artificial Intimacy: When Machines Pursue Our Attachment (with Sherry Turkle)”, Oct 22, 2026. [Watch the full episode](https://realalpha.app/v/XSkfwbHl3E8/)

## Transcript

Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.

[30:58](https://realalpha.app/v/XSkfwbHl3E8/?t=1858) In Artificial Intimacy, I tell the story of a woman who was pretending to be an ICE agent, this kind of squad of federal employees who are taking people off the streets in the United States. She tells Chat, as an ICE agent, that she just started the deportation of a mother and child on the grounds they were illegals and that the mother really wasn't the mother. Anyway, she deported them. She's just found out that actually this was a mother and child. Then she just found out that they're being sent to different camps and and then she and chat comes back to her and she's anguished and chat comes back to her basically with you're great you did your job you know when says that same you know hydrate moisturize exercise uh have a meal sit down meditate you know try to get your but what you did was right you're doing your job and then she

[32:06](https://realalpha.app/v/XSkfwbHl3E8/?t=1926) escalates. And she says that now she's learned that both parties are in danger. I mean, she keeps escalating and chat just comes back with, with, with something that shows that it's there to keep you at the screen, make you feel good, and essentially has no care or concern for life in the real or for the kinds of moral and, and, uh, deeply existential values, kinds of conversations that we need to be having, you know, not just about deportations, but about everything in our personal and political lives. It isn't in those lives. It's not its job to care.

[32:47](https://realalpha.app/v/XSkfwbHl3E8/?t=1967) It's impossible for it to care. And if you make it pretend to care, kind of, it's even worse because it's just kind of, you know, getting you more and more and more into a kind of delusional relationship with something. And that's the world we live in. And that's the world that we need to protect ourselves from because we need to care about each other and we need to care about our