# France's slower growth leaves its debt position more exposed

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- Speaker: [David Friedberg](https://realalpha.app/people/david-friedberg/) (Host) · CEO, Ohalo · Founded The Climate Corporation, sold to Monsanto for about $1.1B in 2013.
- Host: [Chamath Palihapitiya](https://realalpha.app/people/chamath-palihapitiya/) · Founder & CEO, Social Capital · Led Facebook's growth team; his firm backed Slack and AI chipmaker Groq.
- Host: [Jason Calacanis](https://realalpha.app/people/jason-calacanis/) · Founder & CEO, LAUNCH · Early Uber angel; sold Weblogs Inc. to AOL; hosts This Week in Startups.
- Show: All-In
- Episode: [AI Cyber Panic, Ken Griffin’s Bubble Warning, The Fall of France?](https://realalpha.app/v/6czo-C3FU7I/), Oct 23, 2026
- Moment: 52:25 to 55:37 of the episode (3 min), playing on https://realalpha.app/s/frances-slower-growth-leaves-its-debt-position-more-exposed/; the episode from there: https://realalpha.app/v/6czo-C3FU7I/?t=3145

## Quote

> “france is i think probably the **first to go** because they're only growing their economy at half a percent”
> — [David Friedberg](https://realalpha.app/people/david-friedberg/) at [54:03](https://realalpha.app/v/6czo-C3FU7I/?t=3243) · All-In

## Takeaways

1. Friedberg compares French and U.S. debt and deficits.
2. He cites French growth near 0.5% versus 2.3% in the U.S.
3. He sees France as an early warning for Western fiscal stress.

## About this segment

David Friedberg compares French and U.S. debt and deficits, then argues France is more vulnerable because its economy is growing more slowly. He presents France as an early warning for Western fiscal stress.

From “AI Cyber Panic, Ken Griffin’s Bubble Warning, The Fall of France?”, Oct 23, 2026. [Watch the full episode](https://realalpha.app/v/6czo-C3FU7I/)

## Transcript

Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.

[52:30](https://realalpha.app/v/6czo-C3FU7I/?t=3150) This chart is a measure of public spending as a percent of GDP. Rand Group Research published it. And you can see the comparison of France's public spending as a percent of GDP to the peak public spending as a percent of GDP of major communist nations. Soviet Union during 1989. Oh, this is an incredible chart for you. Communist Romania, Venezuela under Chavez, and then communist China. That's unbelievable.

[52:57](https://realalpha.app/v/6czo-C3FU7I/?t=3177) So do you think France is a communist state? well this is like it well it's certainly been a socialist state right is it working you know that's my point and i think this is such a prescient lesson for the west to look at we all think that there's some political problem with macron or whoever it was the more the government spends the worse the conditions get for its people not the opposite and then the people riot and revolt and say that the government's not spending enough and the government needs to be doing more now take a guess pull that chart back up take a guess where the u.s is today what percentage of our gdp 20 20 yeah i was gonna i was gonna say 25 yeah federal government spending is 7.4 trillion state and local government spending is 4.6 you add those two together it's 12 trillion dollars out of a 33 trillion dollar gdp u.s public spending is roughly 36

[53:49](https://realalpha.app/v/6czo-C3FU7I/?t=3229) percent of gdp okay yeah we're right there france today is um the same as the u.s it's about 120 debt to gdp france today is operating its national government spending deficit is 5.4 percent of gdp the u.s is actually 6.2 percent of gdp france is i think probably the first to go because they're only growing their economy at half a percent while the u.s is growing you know at 2.3 percent so we're still kind of hanging on because we have some degree of economic growth that's allowing us to kind of hold things together. But I would argue that we are facing the same sort of fiscal cliff which leads to this extraordinary social unrest as France. All the economic measures are aligned.

[54:32](https://realalpha.app/v/6czo-C3FU7I/?t=3272) We're at the same rate. We're at the same set of problems. And we're starting to see the cracks in the system. I think that France is a bellwether for the West. You can load in all the immigration stuff with it, because I do think that that's a big part of it, where you open the border to let people in to try and grow the economy, you promise them things, they actually add fuel to the fire, things get worse, and it becomes a real problem. Fundamentally, socialism destroys progress, it limits everyone's upside by giving everyone a floor. And the limiting of the upside is what leads to these sorts of problems where no one feels like they can progress. And as soon as the quality collapses, because you've taken out all the incentives in the system, everyone starts to feel incredible discontent. France, I think, is one of the first to go. But if we don't right

[55:19](https://realalpha.app/v/6czo-C3FU7I/?t=3319) the ship in all these other countries in the West, I think we might find ourselves falling down the same hole. And I'm very concerned about that. I think we need to observe this for what it is and be really thoughtful about it with our politics becoming, unfortunately, a little