# Humanoids make sense only when their flexibility pays off

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- Speaker: [Kyle Vogt](https://realalpha.app/builders/kyle-vogt/) · Kyle Vogt is CEO of the Bot Company. · Co-founded Cruise, a self-driving car company GM acquired, and now leads The Bot Company's household robots.
- Host: [Jack Altman](https://realalpha.app/people/jack-altman/) · General partner, Benchmark · Co-founded Lattice and ran it until 2023, then started his fund, Alt Capital.
- Show: Uncapped
- Episode: [The Breakthrough For Home Robots with Kyle Vogt, CEO of the Bot Company | Ep. 32](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/), Nov 12, 2025
- Moment: 12:05 to 15:01 of the episode (3 min), playing on https://realalpha.app/s/humanoids-make-sense-only-when-their-flexibility-pays-off/; the episode from there: https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=725

## Quote

> “Most of the time, the answer is no, I can **build a simpler machine** that works in this environment”
> — [Kyle Vogt](https://realalpha.app/builders/kyle-vogt/) at [13:14](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=794) · Uncapped

## Takeaways

1. Flat factories usually favor wheeled machines over humanoids.
2. A heavy robot falling on home stairs creates safety risks.
3. Construction sites may justify humanoids because of ladders and human-designed tools.

## About this segment

Kyle Vogt argues that most jobs are better served by simpler robots tailored to their environment. Human-shaped robots may be useful where work relies on ladders and tools built for people.

From “The Breakthrough For Home Robots with Kyle Vogt, CEO of the Bot Company | Ep. 32”, Nov 12, 2025. [Watch the full episode](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/)

## Transcript

Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.

[12:11](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=731) cooler robot or add more capabilities, or you can reduce the cost. And we've almost always been in the reduce the cost kind of thing. Yeah. Do you think that the like, the humanoid vision, which is obviously extremely sci fi and cool? Like, does it make sense? Obviously, you could build a robot a bunch of ways and like one way you could choose to do it is just like shape it like a person but it's a robot you know maybe there's some reason for it but like when you think about like the humanoid question like does it intuitively make sense is something that like ought to exist or is it kind of random first of all when i see the videos of human humanoid robots these days having worked in the field for a long time it is just so cool it's so amazing to see what people are able to come up with these days and how fluid the movement uh looks and you know how dexterous

[12:55](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=775) they're getting in terms of the things that they can do. And so I think they're amazing machines, and I think they need to exist in the world. I think the question for me is, if we're talking about putting these robots to work, or like people owning them, the question is like, at the end of the day, is this the most cost effective way to deliver the most value I can, you know, to that customer or to that person? And I think for humanoids, there are very few uses for which the answer is yes. Most of the time, the answer is no, I can build a simpler machine that works in this environment if it's a factory thing where the floors are all flat and you're just moving things from one place to another that robot should probably have wheels if you're in a home environment and you know like a humanoid presents all these safety issues like with walking upstairs

[13:34](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=814) if it slips on a banana peel and falls it becomes a you know ballistic missile basically going down your stairs these are not good things for that's true actually like a big heavy robot falling down your stairs a huge problem yeah so for the home you probably want to optimize more on like low mass low cost and try to like you know maximize what you can do but you know not not running into some of the challenges of a humanoid. That said, there are some things that would be really hard for a non-humanoid robot to accomplish. If you're on a construction site and you're climbing up and down ladders and using hand tools designed for humans and all these things, I buy that argument that there are some uses where we'll want humanoids. But I think it is currently, I think people advertising humanoids are trying to get hype in the space, get more investment in the

[14:10](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=850) space, which we need. But I think the actual practical uses of them, it will be a little bit smaller than what is being portrayed currently. It also could make sense that they don't make the most sense in a home but they live other places like it would be good for example if like a lot of like defense was carried out by machines like because that could in some world you know hopefully that could like save lives for example or like you could imagine it sort of like you know guarding at like you know a stadium or like taking care of like you know big sort of like uh patrol areas and things like that so i could see that because it is like a very mobile thing in the home that example that you just gave you know it slips and it falls on the stairs and it you know, hurts a kid or an animal or something like that.

[14:48](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=888) I mean, maybe in the distant future, we can solve these problems. I think just near term, you're less likely to see them in the home first. Along that curve, though, between now and of course, you know, 50 years out, like obviously