# Leadership teams can withstand pressure until they fracture

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- Speaker: [Marc Andreessen](https://realalpha.app/people/marc-andreessen/) · Marc Andreessen is an entrepreneur, investor, co-creator of Mosaic, co-founder of Netscape and Andreessen Horowitz. · Co-founded Netscape and co-created Mosaic, then co-founded a16z, a venture firm backing AI, crypto and frontier tech.
- Host: [Lex Fridman](https://realalpha.app/people/lex-fridman/) · Host, Lex Fridman Podcast · Robotics and AI researcher at MIT; started the show in 2018.
- Show: Lex Fridman Podcast
- Episode: [Marc Andreessen: Trump, Power, Tech, AI, Immigration & Future of America | Lex Fridman Podcast #458](https://realalpha.app/v/OHWnPOKh_S0/), Jan 26, 2025
- Moment: 1:27:16 to 1:31:32 of the episode (4 min), playing on https://realalpha.app/s/leadership-teams-can-withstand-pressure-until-they-fracture/; the episode from there: https://realalpha.app/v/OHWnPOKh_S0/?t=5236

## Quote

> “my general experience with companies is that they can withstand most forms of external pressure as long as they **retain internal coherence**, right?”
> — [Marc Andreessen](https://realalpha.app/people/marc-andreessen/) at [1:29:37](https://realalpha.app/v/OHWnPOKh_S0/?t=5377) · Lex Fridman Podcast

## Takeaways

1. Executives may not be able to confide in boards or employees.
2. Teams can absorb bad press if they stay aligned.
3. Watch for internal fractures as an early sign of collapse.

## About this segment

Marc Andreessen says CEOs have few people they can confide in, and that internal alignment matters more than most outside attacks. When the team fractures, a company can unravel quickly.

From “Marc Andreessen: Trump, Power, Tech, AI, Immigration & Future of America | Lex Fridman Podcast #458”, Jan 26, 2025. [Watch the full episode](https://realalpha.app/v/OHWnPOKh_S0/)

## Transcript

Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.

[1:27:21](https://realalpha.app/v/OHWnPOKh_S0/?t=5241) What's that life like? Is it deeply lonely? That's a great question. So leaders are lonely to start with. And this is one of those things where almost nobody has sympathy, right? Nobody feels sorry for a CEO, right? Like it's not a thing, right? Right. Um, and, and, you know, and again, legitimately, so like CEOs get paid a lot, like the whole thing, there's a lot of great things about it. So it's not like they should be out there asking for a lot of sympathy, but it is the case that they are human beings. Um, and it is the case that it is a lonely job. And the reason it's a lonely job, um, is because your words carry tremendous weight. Um, and you are dealing with extremely complicated issues and you're under a tremendous amount of emotional, you know, personal emotional stress. Um, and you know, you often end up not being able to sleep well and you end up not being

[1:28:00](https://realalpha.app/v/OHWnPOKh_S0/?t=5280) able to like keep up an exercise routine and all those things. And, you know, you're come under family stress because you're working all the time. My partner, Ben, he was CEO of our last company before we started the venture firm. He said the problem he had with his family life was even when he was home at night, he wasn't home because he was in his head trying to solve all the business problems. And so he was supposed to be having dinner with his kids.

[1:28:20](https://realalpha.app/v/OHWnPOKh_S0/?t=5300) he was physically there, but he wasn't mentally there. So, you know, you kind of get, you get that a lot. But the key thing is like, you can't talk to people, right? So you can't, I mean, you can talk to your spouse and your kids, but like, they don't understand that they're not working in your company. They don't understand, they have the context to really help you. You, if you talk to your executives, they all have agendas, right? And so they're all, they're all, and they can't resist, like it's just human nature. And, and, and so you, you can't necessarily rely on what they say. It's very hard in most companies to talk to your board because they can fire you, right? Now, Now, Mark has the situation because he has control.

[1:28:51](https://realalpha.app/v/OHWnPOKh_S0/?t=5331) It actually turns out he can talk to his board. And Mark talks to us about many things that he does, that most CEOs won't talk to their boards about because we literally, because we can't fire him. But the general, a general, including all the CEOs of Twitter, that none of them had control. And so they could all get fired. So you can't talk to the board members. They're going to fire you. You can't talk to the shareholders because they'll just like dump your stock, right?

[1:29:11](https://realalpha.app/v/OHWnPOKh_S0/?t=5351) Like, okay, so who's the, so, so, so every once in a while, what you find is basically the best case scenario they have is they can talk to other CEOs. and there's these little organizations where they kind of pair up and do that. And so they maybe get a little bit out of that, but, but even that's fraught with peril. Cause can you really talk about confidential information with another CEO insider trading risk? Um, and so it's just a very, it's just a very lonely and isolating thing to start with. Um, and then you, you, and then on top of that, you apply pressure, um, right. And that's where it gets painful. And then maybe I'll just spend a moment on this internal, external pressure thing. Um, my general experience with companies is that they can withstand most forms of external pressure as long as they retain

[1:29:50](https://realalpha.app/v/OHWnPOKh_S0/?t=5390) internal coherence, right? So as long as the internal team, um, is really bonded together and supporting each other, um, most forms of external pressure you can withstand. And by that, I mean, investors dump your stock, you lose your biggest customers, you know, whatever negative article, you know, negative headline, you know, um, you can, you can withstand all that. And basically. And in fact, many of those forms of pressure can be bonding experiences for the team where they come out stronger. What you 100% cannot withstand is the internal crack. And what I always look for in high pressure corporate situations now is the moment when the internal team cracks, because I know the minute that happens, we're in a different regime. It's like the solid is turned into a liquid. We're in a different regime and the whole thing can unravel in the next week,

[1:30:37](https://realalpha.app/v/OHWnPOKh_S0/?t=5437) because then people turn it. I mean, this is what's happening in Los Angeles right now. The mayor and the fire chief turned on each other and that's it. That government is dysfunctional. It is never going to get put back together again. It is over. It is not going to work ever again. And that's what happens to side companies. And so somebody like Mark is under profound internal pressure and external pressure at the same time. Now, he's been very good at maintaining the coherence of his executive team, but he has had over the years, a lot of activist employees, um, as a lot of these companies have had. And so that's been continuous pressure.

[1:31:12](https://realalpha.app/v/OHWnPOKh_S0/?t=5472) And then the final thing I'd say, as I said, that companies can withstand most forms of external pressure, but not all in the special, though not all one is government pressure. Um, is it when your government comes for you? Like, yeah, any CEO who thinks that they're bigger than their government, um, has that notion beaten out of them in short order.