# Revenue during development can reduce reliance on capital markets

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- Speaker: [Kyle Vogt](https://realalpha.app/builders/kyle-vogt/) · Kyle Vogt is CEO of the Bot Company. · Co-founded Cruise, a self-driving car company GM acquired, and now leads The Bot Company's household robots.
- Host: [Jack Altman](https://realalpha.app/people/jack-altman/) · General partner, Benchmark · Co-founded Lattice and ran it until 2023, then started his fund, Alt Capital.
- Show: Uncapped
- Episode: [The Breakthrough For Home Robots with Kyle Vogt, CEO of the Bot Company | Ep. 32](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/), Nov 12, 2025
- Moment: 38:33 to 40:58 of the episode (2 min), playing on https://realalpha.app/s/revenue-during-development-can-reduce-reliance-on-capital/; the episode from there: https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=2313

## Quote

> “they found a way to **sell the product** essentially before it was fully complete”
> — [Kyle Vogt](https://realalpha.app/builders/kyle-vogt/) at [39:11](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=2351) · Uncapped

## Takeaways

1. Tesla sold before full autonomy and used cash flow to fund R&D.
2. Waymo's long development required deep-pocketed backers.
3. Delayed revenue can expose startups to shifts in capital markets.

## About this segment

Kyle Vogt contrasts Tesla selling before autonomy was complete with Waymo's long, capital-intensive development. He argues that waiting years for meaningful revenue leaves startups exposed to funding cycles.

From “The Breakthrough For Home Robots with Kyle Vogt, CEO of the Bot Company | Ep. 32”, Nov 12, 2025. [Watch the full episode](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/)

## Transcript

Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.

[38:39](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=2319) for you? That's, that's an interesting question. Wow. I'm curious about reflecting on what you've learned from the way self-driving cars played out and how it might matter here. Maybe one interesting sort of case study is, you know, the Tesla versus Waymo approaches. Do you think in any way that how that played out or any learnings there that poured over to like what could, you know, be impactful in the robotics land? Well, it's hard to say that, you know, very different approaches to getting to market, but it does seem like they're both trying to converge at the same thing, which is, you know, self-driving cars everywhere. I think one thing that was really brilliant about Tesla's approach, they found a way to sell the product essentially before it was fully complete, if we're looking purely at the self-driving side, and generate billions of

[39:24](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=2364) dollars of cash flow, which they could use to bolster their core business, but also continue to invest in R&D to make this self-driving product. Waymo, by comparison, has taken almost a couple of decades at this point, maybe not quite that long, and probably tens of billions of dollars of investment. And the revenue relative to that has been fairly meager compared to that total investment over time, which basically means that the only companies in the world who can do this are the ones with that kind of capital on their balance sheet to basically fund this crazy amount of R&D year over year. And I think it's no coincidence that the only companies who succeeded that approach or are on track to succeed in that approach are owned by you know amazon google or um you know like a major car car company and that was even a struggle for a company like general

[40:10](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=2410) motors and so in the home robot space i hope we don't repeat that i hope it doesn't become the case that the only companies that make it are ones that are basically kept alive through billions or tens of billions of dollars from you know a corporate uh yeah benefactor and instead we can find clever ways to get to market that uh which i guess is why you need to get to market and be selling something along the way to fund all of this well i think if if your development cycle means you don't get to meaningful revenue for five to ten years after the company has started it means you're entirely dependent on either being acquired or the capital markets you know being pointed in the right direction and you know historically things tend to cycle back and forth in a five to ten year timeline you're getting awfully close to almost guaranteeing that you

[40:51](https://realalpha.app/v/XQoFbvyWEy8/?t=2451) straddle like a down cycle as well as an up one and that can be a killer for these companies