# Rockstar expected GTA 3 to sell two or three million copies

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- Speaker: [Dan Houser](https://realalpha.app/people/dan-houser/) · Dan Houser is co-founder of Rockstar Games and founder of Absurd Ventures. · Co-created Grand Theft Auto and Red Dead Redemption, then founded Absurd Ventures to develop games and stories.
- Host: [Lex Fridman](https://realalpha.app/people/lex-fridman/) · Host, Lex Fridman Podcast · Robotics and AI researcher at MIT; started the show in 2018.
- Show: Lex Fridman Podcast
- Episode: [Dan Houser: GTA, Red Dead Redemption, Rockstar, Absurd & Future of Gaming | Lex Fridman Podcast #484](https://realalpha.app/v/o3gbXDjNWyI/), Oct 31, 2025
- Moment: 52:57 to 56:03 of the episode (3 min), playing on https://realalpha.app/s/rockstar-expected-gta-3-to-sell-two-or-three-million-copies/; the episode from there: https://realalpha.app/v/o3gbXDjNWyI/?t=3177

## Quote

> “we were like we thought gta 3 could be really popular but really popular to us meant quite honestly it's going to sell **two or three million copies**”
> — [Dan Houser](https://realalpha.app/people/dan-houser/) at [53:37](https://realalpha.app/v/o3gbXDjNWyI/?t=3217) · Lex Fridman Podcast

## Takeaways

1. The team initially expected GTA 3 to sell two or three million copies.
2. Creative clarity helped align features with a game's tone.
3. The team pushed the medium even before it had major resources.

## About this segment

Dan Houser recalls that early Rockstar aimed to make innovative games before it knew how big they could become. Creative clarity and a shared commitment to excellence helped the team keep raising its bar.

From “Dan Houser: GTA, Red Dead Redemption, Rockstar, Absurd & Future of Gaming | Lex Fridman Podcast #484”, Oct 31, 2025. [Watch the full episode](https://realalpha.app/v/o3gbXDjNWyI/)

## Transcript

Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.

[53:03](https://realalpha.app/v/o3gbXDjNWyI/?t=3183) When you lead a team of over 1,000 people to make a masterpiece like GTA 5 or Red Dead Redemption 2, how do you ensure that the bar of perfection is always met? How is that even possible? We know the answer isn't money because there's other studios with a lot of money and they are two decades behind Rockstar. So what does it take? to create these worlds to create these incredibly compelling games i think i mean certainly when i when i was at rockstar i was a worker amongst workers you know the culture was was one of excellence and tried to provide creative clarity and and people were just you know and also an ambition to make i think we were like we thought gta 3 could be really popular but really popular to us meant quite honestly it's going to sell two or three million copies um and we thought we were

[53:53](https://realalpha.app/v/o3gbXDjNWyI/?t=3233) making something pretty innovative i mean we knew making something innovative but we didn't know if people would understand how innovative it was and then when we got the chance to make to make by city and to try and repeat it i think every time from then on the team was very driven to make something better and to use this long before we had lots of resources to use time and whatever money we had to always put impressive stuff on the screen always think about what we can do to push the medium of video games and the sort of medium of building fake worlds further and that was always you know there was a bit was a it was you know both clarity of here's what we're trying to do here's what the tone of the game is going to be here's how features will fit into that and so why these features would work and these features wouldn't work because

[54:40](https://realalpha.app/v/o3gbXDjNWyI/?t=3280) fundamentally by 2002 you could put pretty much any feature into a game you wanted um it wasn't There wasn't a technical limitation. It was just making it cohesive. And then it was also just everyone committing to a culture of excellence. Navi Kansari, an award-winning director and virtual reality game maker, who worked with you on a number of Grand Theft Auto games, spoke highly about his time working with you.

[55:04](https://realalpha.app/v/o3gbXDjNWyI/?t=3304) Quote, We always worked ourselves to the bone, but it wasn't coming from the top down. Sam and Dan always rolled up their sleeves, and they were always there. They never left us holding the bag. we all thought we're making badass shit so it didn't matter how hard we worked so i'm sure there were some tough grinds finishing it is certainly it's tough but it also is you know intensely rewarding and and you you get something done and you've made something.

[55:31](https://realalpha.app/v/o3gbXDjNWyI/?t=3331) And that feeling is, as you say, really, really incredible. I mean, because sometimes it's a little bit empty as well. Because when you finish it, you're like, oh, my life's got nothing to it. And then you have to, you know, but that's the same with any big undertaking that you take. I don't think that, you know, when you're working that hard, you do not have a good work-life balance. But the truth is you're not working that hard all the time.

[55:52](https://realalpha.app/v/o3gbXDjNWyI/?t=3352) So you have to just manage it slightly differently. Man, that's such a heavy thing about the human experience. I've talked to Olympic gold winners