# Spiegel kept Snap rather than compromise its product vision

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- Speaker: [Evan Spiegel](https://realalpha.app/people/evan-spiegel/) · Evan Spiegel is cofounder and CEO of Snap Inc. · Co-founded Snapchat at Stanford and has led Snap as CEO since 2011, building Stories and the Specs AR glasses.
- Host: [David Senra](https://realalpha.app/people/david-senra/) · Host, Founders · Has read an entrepreneur's biography every week for Founders since 2016.
- Show: Founders
- Episode: [Evan Spiegel, Snapchat: Building a Multi-Billion Dollar Company](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/), Apr 12, 2026
- Moment: 1:41:29 to 1:48:14 of the episode (7 min), playing on https://realalpha.app/s/spiegel-kept-snap-rather-than-compromise-its-product-vision/; the episode from there: https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6089

## Quote

> “And it was very clear that like we would have had to **compromise on our vision and values** if we sold the company.”
> — [Evan Spiegel](https://realalpha.app/people/evan-spiegel/) at [1:44:20](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6260) · Founders

## Takeaways

1. Spiegel and Murphy loved building Snapchat together.
2. They believed a sale would compromise the product's vision and values.
3. He saw Snapchat's impact on friendships as worth defending.

## About this segment

Evan Spiegel says he and Murphy loved building Snapchat and saw a distinct product opportunity. He says selling would have meant compromising its vision and values, while the service's impact on friendships made it worth defending.

From “Evan Spiegel, Snapchat: Building a Multi-Billion Dollar Company”, Apr 12, 2026. [Watch the full episode](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/)

## Transcript

Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.

[1:41:32](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6092) to get to is just like you're famous for turning down billions and billions of dollars real fast to sell the company. I think the book that I read on you eight years ago was called How to Turn Down a Billion Dollars or something like they made reference to it. I'm trying to get like what is motivating you? Like, you know, I study entrepreneurship. Obviously, my entire life is founders. Every during the day, I make founders podcasts.

[1:41:54](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6114) At night, I hang out with founders. This is my whole life. And I think the common misconception is that entrepreneurs are driven by money. And I would argue they're driven by control. And if you're talented and you want to build a product that makes somebody else's life better and you maintain control, you wind up with money anyways. But their primary motivation is not money. Clearly, your primary motivation was not money.

[1:42:12](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6132) I think there's a line in the book that said that you would never work for anybody else. Like, take us through the decision of just like, I don't give a shit about your billions of dollars. I want to do this. well i think you know i should i would never like underestimate the fact that like bobby our investors were smart they allowed bobby and i to both sell 10 million bucks of stock very early on obviously that would have been worth maybe a lot more now but like but it's very early on which meant that like you know we were able to see a just you know support a family buy a house like whatever it was right so i think like very early on money like was no longer a consideration But $10 million is not a billion.

[1:42:53](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6173) But $10 million is more than enough money to live a really great, comfortable life. You see what I mean here? Like it's still an unusual decision on your part, especially when you were – how old were you when you were – the first time you turned down a multi-billion dollar acquisition offer? Probably 20 – I don't know. Young 20s. Yeah. Okay. Don't downplay. Like that's another – see, we've gone over a series of unusual decisions that you keep making.

[1:43:19](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6199) So, like, explain to me, like, why I wouldn't do it either. Like, I'd hope I wouldn't do it because I guess the work I'm trying to do on Founders Podcast, to give you, like, I want to, like, to the degree that there is any influence that the podcast has on future generations of entrepreneurs, it's like, right now the entrepreneurship ecosystem, they celebrate because incentive structure is fucked up.

[1:43:39](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6219) They celebrate start, scale, sell. You started, you scale, you didn't sell. The 400 biographies, there's not a single biography that I've read where it's like a guy started a company, two years later, he sold it for billions of dollars, and he spent the rest of his life as an investor. I'm sorry, I almost threw up in my mouth at the thought of this. They don't write books about that. Why do you take yourself out of the game?

[1:44:00](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6240) Like the whole point, like Elon's the richest person on the planet. You think he'd ever do that? No, he like puts his chips back in there. He wants to build shit. This is one of the things I admire about you. So like, how the hell do you make that decision at 22, 23, 24? Well, I think we loved what we were doing. I mean, Bobby and I just loved working together. We loved making stuff. We saw a huge opportunity for the service.

[1:44:19](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6259) And fundamentally, the service was so different than what else was out there. And it was very clear that like we would have had to compromise on our vision and values if we sold the company. I mean, you think about almost every choice was the opposite of what was happening at the time, right? It was like permanent public social media on a feed. We were doing like private messaging, private ephemeral messaging, right? No public likes and comments, right? With like opening into the camera, not a feed, investing in things like augmented reality when everyone was investing in virtual reality, thinking that people are actually going to like wear a TV on their face. Like it's insane. Like it was insane. And I think like it makes no sense.

[1:44:57](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6297) And I think like we looked at that and we were like, wow, like, you know, like if that's like the direction people want to go, like that's scary for the world. Now, it's great in many ways that like all of these services have adopted our inventions. I mean, when we talked about, I mean, in 2012, 2013, the importance of privacy, people looked at us like we were insane. I mean, literally, they were like, what are you talking about privacy?

[1:45:20](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6320) Like, what? Like, remember, that was like the world. Remember Mark Zuckerberg being like, the world's going to be open and connected. Everyone's going to share everything. Like, what? what? Like, and it was just so wrong in terms of the direction of the world and like what people actually wanted. And so I think like you could imagine a world without Snapchat, without these inventions, like I think the world would be like a worse place. It's so interesting right now, there's a lot of concern about social media and the way that it makes people feel, right?

[1:45:44](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6344) What's fascinating is when Snapchat is studied separately from social media, there's study after study, independent studies that show that Snapchat makes a positive impact on people's friendships, on their well-being, that is fundamentally different from social media. Because in those same studies, it shows that Instagram, TikTok, whatever, make people feel bad, right? And so what I find so interesting is that like Snapchat itself represents something different and a connection to your friends and family that actually makes your life better. And so even though it's challenging to continue operating a business, to compete with these folks, you know, who have a very different worldview and a, you know, a very different direction for how they want how they want the world to move. I worry about a world without Snapchat. I worry about a, you know,

[1:46:26](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6386) a world that doesn't try to fight for this different set of values and this different way of thinking about things. One of the benefits of reading a biography is you see like the evolution of an idea over time where like your decision not to sell as a young man in his early twenties, right? You might've had like a, a faint idea that, you know, first of all, So I think you love being an entrepreneur.

[1:46:48](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6408) Like entrepreneurs need businesses. What is an entrepreneur that sold his business? It's like nothing. You're just sitting on the sidelines doing nothing. So you shouldn't ever sell your best idea. That's what I said back in 2018 when I made the first podcast about you. It's like this is – I think you even said it's like I don't think I'm going to come up with a better idea than this. So I'm going to now dedicate my life to working on my second best idea?

[1:47:07](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6427) How the hell does that make sense? For money that I'm going to get anyways in the future and most of which I won't even spend in my lifetime. But you have that kernel of the idea. But now you just this great articulation of that. It's like that idea almost like grew and solidified over time. And then there's things in the future that had to happen that you didn't know were going to happen. And you realize that was the right choice, such as social media gets a really bad rap.

[1:47:32](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6452) It has terrible PR. You know, all the polling is like, you know, people, even though they're addicted to these things, they seem to not make their lives better, where like you actually set, if you separate that out and like you've built something where like people are actually happy and feel good about using the product, that's worth more than money. A hundred percent. Yeah. And you have to have an impact at the scale of a billion people around the world who, who use.

[1:48:00](https://realalpha.app/v/Sr6n-9mzYnk/?t=6480) their service, to talk with their friends and family, build stronger relationships, like that's inspiring to me. There was two conversations I had on this podcast that surprised me. The first one was with Daniel Ock of Spotify, and the next one was Toby Luque of Shopify.