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Grit · 4 min · Dec 15, 2025
AI leaders need to address public anxiety, not just opportunity
Evan Spiegel argues that tech leaders should take public fears about AI seriously and prepare society for the changes ahead. He points to education and AR glasses as part of helping people gain AI’s benefits.
Co-founder & CEO, Snap Inc.
Co-founded Snapchat at Stanford and has led Snap as CEO since 2011, building Stories and the Specs AR glasses.

Joubin Mirzadegan, Host · Partner, Kleiner Perkins
Took Palo Alto Networks' cloud business from $2M to $50M+ ARR in a year.
About this segment
Evan Spiegel argues that tech leaders should take public fears about AI seriously and prepare society for the changes ahead. He points to education and AR glasses as part of helping people gain AI’s benefits.
From “How Snap Plans to Win the AR Race | Evan Spiegel on Spectacles”, Dec 15, 2025. Watch the full episode
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“industry leaders pay a lot of attention to the anxiety around AI”
Evan Spiegelat 1:03:30 · Grit1:03:30Takeaways
- Most Americans are worried about AI’s impact and jobs.
- Technological shifts also reshape society and politics.
- Specs could make learning by doing more accessible.
In this episode
Full episode- 43:23Spiegel turned down the offer because Snap had a path alone3:00
- 22:05Snap raised its first round after running out of cash2:55
1:03:13AI leaders need to address public anxiety, not just opportunity3:51
- 5 more moments in the full episode
Transcript
Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.
- 1:03:19
As we wrap here, are there things that you are looking out over the next five years that you believe that you think nobody else believes yet? I mean, I think that, you know, in our industry, there's so much excitement around AI. I think it's so important that industry leaders pay a lot of attention to the anxiety around AI, because if you look at the public polling about what does a broad base subset of Americans think about AI, the majority of them are very worried about it. They're worried it's going to take their job. They're worried about its impact. And I think if you study these huge periods of technological transformation, which, as we discussed, have happened a lot in the past.
- 1:04:00
whether it's railroads, semiconductors, the internet, there's a huge amount of change that happens, not just technologically, but societally, politically as well. And so I think, you know, leaders, especially technology leaders at this moment in time would be very well served, you know, really listening to and hearing from the broader community, the broader American public, because I think it's going to take some really effective communication and some real forward thinking from the industry to navigate this period of time in a way that can bring the benefits of AI to the broader population, but it's going to require rethinking things like our education system, right, which was developed a hundred years ago for an industrial age that is nothing like, you know, what workers are entering today. And I think the more proactive
- 1:04:45
industry can be in solving these problems and the more attuned to the way people feel industry can be, I think we'll all be better off for it. You know, it's hearing you say that Palmer we're lucky speaking of Segundo here was giving an interview and the interviewer was asking him, are your kids going to go to school? And his answer was so, I've never heard an answer like this. That was so honest. He was like, listen, I'm a billionaire. Can I not figure out better ways with the technology today and the resources that I have to figure out how to educate my children in a way that's not the same as the last like hundred years. And I'm like, that's a really interesting framing for like how you think about it. And I, you probably think about it the same way. Like you have the resources, you are obviously on the bleeding edge of technology.
- 1:05:30
As you think about the next generation, whether it's your kids or otherwise, like you're probably like, all right, are there things that we can just like reimagine that have just not, that have been the way this, because they've been this way. They don't have to be that way. I think there's so much opportunity to do that. I think California is a great place to focus on it as well, because we have such incredible strengths in technology. We're the fourth largest economy in the whole world. But at the same time, we also have, you know, middling educational outcomes. We have the highest poverty rate in the country tied with Louisiana, the highest unemployment rate in the country. And so California has a lot of these big challenges that I think this community of innovators and technologists and, you know, the broader public
- 1:06:14
it can work together to solve. So I would love to see California, you know, lead not only in technology, but lead in, you know, thinking about ways to apply that to, you know, these broader societal issues. Can Snap's platform be a platform for learning by doing? I think that's a huge role that specs will play. I mean, that's one of the areas of greatest interest to us. I mean, if you look at on the job training, if you look at the ability to, you know, use AI to actually like solve problems in the real world, I think specs will be transformational. I love the notion of learning by doing it. I think it's the best way to learn and augmented reality can help make that a lot more accessible. So, Reid Hoffman did a Reid AI and he did a video interview of himself