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a16z Podcast · 3 min · Dec 17, 2025
Drones can make a dangerous arrest more controlled
Garrett Langley recounts a gunman located at a mall through shared alerts, a camera hit and a drone. Officers assessed the situation before plainclothes officers moved in, avoiding an immediate SWAT response.
Founder & CEO, Flock Safety

Erik Torenberg, Host · General partner, Andreessen Horowitz
Helped build Product Hunt; founded On Deck, Village Global and Turpentine.
About this segment
Garrett Langley recounts a gunman located at a mall through shared alerts, a camera hit and a drone. Officers assessed the situation before plainclothes officers moved in, avoiding an immediate SWAT response.
From ““How We Can Eliminate Crime” | Ben Horowitz and Garrett Langley”, Dec 17, 2025. Watch the full episode
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“Sitting at a comfortable desk like we are here, a real-time crime center operator clicks a button that says launch drone”
Takeaways
- A hot-list alert linked neighboring departments.
- A drone arrived in about 40 seconds from half a mile away.
- Officers checked the situation before approaching the suspect.
In this episode
Full episode- 19:44Why crime clearance rates have fallen3:22
54:21Drones can make a dangerous arrest more controlled3:06
Transcript
Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.
- 54:33
Garrett, talk about what the world looks like in a world where Flock achieves its goal. Like, what's the future of policing? You know, Flock camera on every block. Like, talk about that. Yeah, I think the word been used was intelligence. Yeah. And so much of that shift is starting to happen. I would add to the intelligence precision. Yeah. And, like, I'll paint for you a picture of a recent success story that, to me, is the future, and it just hasn't happened in every city yet.
- 54:38
Yeah. So there's an individual who leaves the hospital mentally unwell and shoots someone in a drive-by, just driving by and starts shooting people. This is a real story. Because all the police departments in the city worked, like in the neighboring cities worked together, they put out a hot list entry for, hey, we're looking for this vehicle armed, dangerous, mentally unwell. That vehicle pulls into the largest commercial center for one of the cities.
- 55:00
It's a big mall. The mall is also a flock customer. So the police department gets a ding on that camera and says, hey, we found this guy. Now let's pause. Traditional response. is you deploy SWAT. And it's going to take about 15 minutes to get everyone ready. They're going to come in hot and someone's going to die. It's not clear who. Either a citizen, an officer, or the suspect's going to die. But let's assume someone's going to die.
- 55:20
And then just as, not as important, but just as a matter of fact, that mall is also going to see a dramatic decline in attendance. And it could lead to probably the end of the mall, which is not good too for that sit-in. Okay, let's unpause. What happened? Sitting at a comfortable desk like we are here, a real-time crime center operator clicks a button that says launch drone the drone is at the mall in about 40 seconds from about a half mile away We can zoom in, find that the individual has a tattoo.
- 55:49
We pulled that because we have a product called Nova that when an LPR hit comes through, we can say, oh, wow, this person's been arrested six times. Is there any information? Oh, there is interesting information. This person has a very distinguishable forearm tattoo. So we spot the tattoo. Half my way, this guy has no idea we're following him. We don't see a gun. Two plainclothes officers walk up.
- 56:09
The whole time they know they've got overhead protection. They're being helped, just like you were in the Army. They take them down. No one has any idea. And they did present this to city council, and city council was like, we need drones everywhere. We need drones everywhere. It's safer, it's more precise, there's a level of intelligence. And so when I look at this police department, they've got all their data integrated, they have all their sensors integrated.
- 56:32
It's just happening. And I think for us, when we think about a kind of agentic layer on top of that, where now you can start to reduce some of your staffing problems, But some of these jobs, no one wants to work the night shift. No one wants to, like, some jobs are just, like, not fun. There's a way to do it with software. So I think that kind of intelligent, precise policing is where we want. I think the net effect of that, to Ben's earlier point, is officers spend more time with their community.
- 57:00
Yeah. Less time filling out paperwork, less time writing reports, more time engaged. Just a quick last one. Don't you have a couple stories of you actually saving, like, a baby?