OpenAI is exploring humanoids and three device form factors

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1. 58:16

   than being a public company on any particular time frame um so we'll make the best decision for the mission. You mentioned robotics. I'd love to hear from you the state of your robotics effort. What are you building? Is it a humanoid? Is it a robotic data center? Both? We will definitely do a humanoid. We will do other form factors as well. The world is very much designed for people. So if you think about the ability to open a door and type on a computer and drive a piece of equipment and clean a kitchen and whatever else, we've kind of built this world for people, and I want to make sure that we keep building this world for people. So matching that form factor seems good. There will of course be data center robots that have like different form factors.

2. 58:53

   I think all of that is less important than really figuring out like the brain that makes the robot work. So you are building a humanoid. We will. How do you think that's going to work in the world? Do you imagine that being like a personal robot for everyone? Someday. I don't think that's the most important first thing to do. And you talked about the ability to build data centers or even build more robots or whatever else. But yes, someday I think everyone should have a personal robot like i would love to have a personal robot that could like do the tasks that i don't want to do that'd be great you also have the consumer consumer device work with johnny ive i know you can't talk a lot about it and we'll probably see the first device here at some point soon um soon ish soon ish and you've talked a lot about how i've been hearing you say like my dream is a

3. 59:36

   product that just is ambiently listening to me and taking everything in and giving me context we were talking about this earlier with computer use and i agree that seems um very helpful in a of context also seems like a privacy surveillance nightmare and i'm curious if you've been thinking about that and how the world will react to that we've taken a very strong stance on privacy i think with the you know business privacy too not just consumer privacy but like the way we the commitments we make about not training on businesses data and about zero data retention i think this is very important and as ai becomes more and more embedded in our lives privacy becomes extremely important And one thing I worry about is there are other efforts that think differently and will push on, hey, the safety risks are so big that AI privacy can't exist in the same kind of

4. 1:00:29

   way. I think that there should be like an AI privilege law. I don't even think the government should be allowed to compel a company to give them your chat history or whatever. If you talk to a doctor or a lawyer, there's a concept of privilege. You don't have that talking to Chachupiti. I think you should. In that context, though, that you just described, there's also a lot of limits on what a lawyer or doctor can do with your data. It's not just sharing it externally. Do you think that that kind of oversight should extend to how you use the data?

5. 1:00:52

   Yeah, no, I was going to get that. Yeah, yeah. So I think there should be legal limits of what the government can do. I also think companies should have a lot of restrictions on data shared with an AI, and especially if you have this thing watching your computer, listening to your messages, talking to you. Like, yeah, I think that this is, I think there should be so many people are much more animated about than they are.

6. 1:01:10

   How, before that happens, how do you at OpenAI govern that, self-govern the use of data? You probably have some of the most powerful profile data that's ever been amassed in the history of the world. We have extremely strong internal controls about how that's used, and we make the privacy guarantees to users that we do. As we get closer to launching this device, we'll be talking about kind of the new privacy controls and technology we're building for a device that's like, kind of ambiently computing.

7. 1:01:42

   But yeah, I think we have one of the more personal databases ever. Apple has very publicly sued you guys for allegedly stealing trade secrets and hiring their employees to work on this device with Johnny. And you've responded to it, and you've said it's meritless. But I'm wondering, do you worry about this slowing down the device efforts? No, look, if... So first of all, I'm like a mega Apple fanboy, and I was very sad about that.

8. 1:02:12

   And from when I first heard about it, I was like, man, this sounds egregious. Someone must have done something badly. And if someone, we don't like want any company's IP, and we certainly don't want people who are going to take a company's IP and bring it to us. And if, you know, we did an investigation and found that about somebody, we would, of course, just terminate them and deal with it. But we're also going to defend someone if they didn't do something wrong.

9. 1:02:35

   and I believe after we looked into this that this was a case of someone not doing something wrong and we tried to explain some of that and more of that will play out in a process. Given my understanding, I don't think this is going to slow things down. How are you thinking about form factors? Do you like, I've heard you say you don't in the past. Do you like glasses? Do you like glasses? I don't because I find it very uncomfortable talking to people with like a camera and a light.

10. 1:03:03

    Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. But there's a lot of other form factors. There's a lot of great form factors. I think we'll do a small handful of form factors. I think there's something that belongs on a table. There is something that belongs in your pocket. And there is something that belongs on your body. And it'll take us some time to launch all of those things. But I think the big adjustment is going to be getting used to this idea of a proactive computer.