Palantir says its safeguards make data analytics harder to abuse

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Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.

1. 13:43

   Let me flesh this out a bit. But so, look, everyone on the right, at least, agrees that we should have a strong border. One of the criticisms or concerns that I hear on the right or from civil libertarians is that Palantir has a large-scale data collection program on American citizens, so not foreign terrorists, not illegals, but American citizens. Can you just clear that up and say that either Palantir is not doing that or under what circumstances you do?

2. 14:13

   Yeah. So, first of all, I just want to, like, Palantir, like, there's a technical version, which I'm gonna give you, but we had a Democratic administration come to us and basically ask us to do a Muslim database. Now, you would think, given the way I'm kind of besmirched as like some kind of, I don't know, it's like a Jewish conspiracy, that would be the first thing, according to them, I would do. We've never done anything like this? I've never done anything like this? To actually understand the answer, and I love these questions about the skeptic, because like I actually love skeptics. Like I tend to divide the world into you have Palantir derangement system syndrome, which I don't spend a lot of time on and I think they're anti-builder. You have Palantir skeptics and you have people who don't like Palantir. If you're a Palantir skeptic or you don't like us, I want to engage.

3. 15:04

   and that any technology that works can be abused. We are the single worst technology to use to abuse civil liberties, which is, by the way, the reason why we could never get the NSA or the FBI to actually buy our product. And until recently, like, significant institutions would never buy our product. Yeah, you laugh because it's, like, obvious. If you want to do data analytics in a way that eviscerates our civil liberties, you don't want ACLs, you don't want branching, you don't want pipelining. You don't want logs. You don't want serialization and deserialization in your product. If you have serialization and deserialization in your product that's intelligible, you are basically creating a product that's going to be really, really hard to abuse.

4. 15:49

   And the logs are immutable in Palantir. And by the way, the single most civil liberties heavy place in the world is hating on us every day. And you know what they're buying every day? Palantir. It's called Europe. And you know why? Sorry, I want to get to this because this is important. Because I get basically attacked by skeptics and anti-Palantir people that deserve any... And by the way, do not... This is a lesson for you. Do not believe anything I'm saying.

5. 16:13

   And if you're online watching, I don't know, Nick Fuentes, call me the Jewish conspiracy, do yourself a favor and say, yeah, that could be really interesting. Spend 20 minutes looking at the product. 20 minutes looking at the product and say, is this not the hardest product to abuse in the world? Is it not built to be? And by the way, and then I'll get to direct answers of your questions, and by the way, that's made me very rich because the civil liberties protections we built into PGA are the same things that we use to orchestrate large language models, the same way we orchestrate internally, and the same things you will need to make any enterprise in the world work because every enterprise in the world, public or private, needs deserialization, ACLs, branching, some kind of scaffolding to make the LLMs work, which means the LLMs have an ability to do a

6. 17:02

   taxonomy on your business, but without touching the business, that you can control where they're deployed, that they don't have access to your data, that you have immutable logs, and that you can measure the output against high-fidelity data sets that can be viewed in any way permissible, and that the permissions are enforced. So, hardest product in the world to abuse. I'm telling you, we've never done anything like this. Please verify. Do not trust me. Certainly do not trust the people. By the way, as a rule, the one thing I would say critical on the outside, do not trust anyone who's never built anything. It's so easy to have all these opinions. You have all these fucking opinions about how the world works, how data works, how businesses work, how we got off the ground. I'm a conspiracy. Somehow they gave it to me, but not you,

7. 17:48

   even though I'd be the least likely person to get. To sue the U.S. government twice, twice. We had to hire the most important engineers in the world and be laughed and shat upon by the whole world for 20 years before anyone took it seriously because we were a conspiracy. And you know why people believe it? Because they've never had a job, they've never built anything. And anyone who has, no, there's no, that's just not the way the world works. For me to succeed, just like for you to succeed, you're going to have to be 10x better than anyone else in the room or you will fail. And that's true for me, that's true for you, that's true for every American. And it's always been true. It's always been true. Sorry, sorry, I got to get to this. And anyone who tells you, anyone, anyone, anyone who tells you that's not true is you are the mark. You are the mark.

8. 18:31

   If you're being taught, and that's what I would tell the protesters or the college, you're the mark. They're telling you I'm succeeding because I just got it handed to me and somehow it's unfair. No, no one handed anything to anyone at Palantir. PG is still the best product on the market. No one even tries to compete it. Foundry, go ahead, go try to build it. Try to organize a team of people as good as Palantirians. Go ahead, try. Try. Try to do it for 20 years. Try to build a reasoning database. I would like to try to ask a question. Sorry, one second. All I want to say is I'm glad you're on our side. My lord. Try to, try to, try to, try to, I don't need it. Try, try, try, try to build ontology and FDEs five, six years before anyone thought it was. Try to raise the capital. Try to be leftist. But to your questions, no, we are not surveilling U.S. citizens. No,

9. 19:21

   our data is not being used to aggregate and to create imputed weight. Because you could say, do you do it directly? Do you do it indirectly? That's a fair question. No. Would I do this? Don't have to believe me, but I've never done it in 20 years. I've told every single important... I do a lot of constructive engagement internally, like with countries. Because, you know, people know I'm kind of on their side in the West. I've told every single major leader that I would not do something and it's cost, and by the way, it's cost Palantir a lot of money. We never worked with China. We never worked with Russia. We never worked with Adversarial. We got laughed out of the same room. Okay.