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TRIGGERnometry · 8 min · Oct 23, 2026
Why Winston Marshall thinks France faces prolonged instability
Winston Marshall cites riot damage, policing, migration and schooling to explain his pessimism about France.
The episode’s best minutes
Full analysis- 5:34Why Winston Marshall thinks France faces prolonged instability8 min
- 20:35Why Tom Slater sees anti-French sentiment as a shared thread3 min
- 36:44Why Francis Foster says classroom disruption blocks learning3 min
- 3 more moments in the full episode
“the paris police prefecture have told citizens to arrange their own security now as far as i'm concerned”
Winston Marshallat 6:50 · TRIGGERnometryTakeaways
- He cites estimates of extensive damage, arrests and injured police.
- He says asking citizens to secure themselves signals state failure.
- He links unrest to divisions around migration, schooling and politics.
About this segment
Winston Marshall cites riot damage, policing, migration and schooling to explain his pessimism about France. He argues these pressures could lead to years of instability.
Writer, musician & podcaster
Co-founded Mumford & Sons, a Grammy-winning band, and now hosts The Winston Marshall Show.

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Francis Foster, Host
From “France Riots - Are We Next? - Off The Fence”, Oct 23, 2026. Watch the full episode
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Transcript
Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.
- 5:40
I think that we're witnessing the birth pangs of what may very well likely or it's an opinion but But the way I put it together, it seems like it might be a decades long anarchy ahead of us. And to explain that, perhaps I should explain why what happened last weekend is even worse than what we talked about two weeks ago. So numbers have gone up now. Last weekend was up to some estimates 800,000, 60,000 police and gendarmerie across the nation.
- 6:13
you think about how many 60 000 police are to to deal with that's three arenas worth of police a thousand of the police uh were injured someone was killed it is i've seen reports well over a billion in in damages and these horrifying images of small businesses losing the the poorest of asian heritage girl who lost her business she'd build up she's sort of in tears you showed the video there of the the man who had his sort of his i don't know he's a comic book uh store and he's kind of beaten and i'd also note it is due to be another set of protests this weekend what's even more concerning about this weekend is that the paris police prefecture have told citizens to arrange their own security now as far as i'm concerned that is the french state abdicating in their primary responsibility in the social contract if you cannot protect the citizens
- 7:18
that's what what why should any why should people pay into the state anymore why should you that is literally the beginning of anarchy and in france the problem has been it's it's it's within borders as we've discussed on other topics in britain it's been at the borders but it's it's a similar thing we're seeing around the country. And just why I'm so pessimistic is if you look at what is going on population rise. So the French do not publish ethnic demographics for their country, but they do show who is foreign born. Under Macron since 2017, he's let in 2.7 million non-European migrants.
- 8:00
that's not including other European migrants there are estimates of 900,000 illegals in France in Britain the estimates between 1.2 and 2 million I suspect in France there's actually more than 900,000 of the population we do know the foreign-born population is 14 percent the Muslim population is at least seven percent but with some estimates up to 10 percent again hard to know because they don't record for kids uh for minors and so we we don't fully know and it's also the case that census data is not always accurate and i i also suspect muslim communities don't participate in those kind of censuses like other communities might so that will be said we've got in that would make it in western europe the highest muslim proportion of any western european nation and so as tom rightly points out you have that side of the portion and we've seen
- 8:54
videos of them stopping looting to pray towards mecca and then get back up and get to those are the images we've seen on on um on x and you have the kind of indigenous antifa cosplay types you have the anarchist the hammer and sickle all of these guys and then you've got the schooling right so obviously ostensibly this is about schooling it doesn't explain why you would destroy small businesses but French schooling is a problem and and they've got the worst PISA scores they are in the OECD they it's the record it looks like the the state of schooling is bad but they spend more than anyone else in Western Europe on schooling and they have the highest tax burden I think not um the highest maybe second highest tax burden in in western europe so this is all the protesters who are blaming capitalism actually this is the most socialist or one of the most socialists make
- 9:53
top two most socialist countries in western in western europe so you've got this and then and this this again i've got data on the english side of this but in england in britain uh 80 of teachers are left wing and 25 of teachers vote for the green party and green party's far left so all of these kids all this gen z have been marinating in this anti-french ideology coupled with a huge portion of uh uh migrant migratory population uh just just so i could keep throwing more and more explanations about why i'm so pessimistic there's another important thing to point out so i've got a clip here of the bbc describing it dean can you play it for us please in paris and beyond half a million people have filled cities across france to protest over the future of their country they were mostly peaceful but as we saw in the capitol
- 10:49
in the wings were those who wanted to take advantage of the day mostly peaceful that's what i wanted you to see so mostly peaceful now marcos has blamed ai and uh he says it's ai disinformation uh he says that president trump is stupid he said that this week president trump is stupid for blaming islam and mass migration ursula von von der leyen the eu has blamed russia and the disinformation so what you've got is a classic political class saying no not actually able to articulate what the actual problem is and they're kind of going for uh other things the far left under melanchol he has said yes it is the far left yes it is islam and it's a good thing and France doesn't really exist and there is no French culture and so you've kind of got them who kind of more explicit about what the problem is I think Trump is much much closer to the truth and given
- 11:44
this increasingly divided it's also worth noting there is a kind of indigenous patriotic pushback I think in Lyon they had a kind of small uprising and so it's not going unnoticed and Emmanuel Well, Petit, the French World Cup or the French World Cup. Cup 98 winner went on this absolutely beautiful rant about it but he completely lost his temper saying he's had enough and he's saying it's not all immigrants but we can see if you come into this country and you don't and you don't like this country bugger off it's actually it was in more um more harsh uh language than I I just used there I think that France is unbelievably divided in a way that a lot of more so than a lot of western europe but i think this is across europe we've been seeing similar images in italy we're seeing images in belgium we're seeing small protests coming up in spain there's a whole
- 12:39
thing going on in albania but that's maybe another thing i'd also note that france seems to be teetering on a fiscal crisis um all of this is why i'm so pessimistic about this the the problem ahead of us and what might be done about it so before i i can elaborate more but maybe i'll bring uh constant and francis into it at this point well we've spent the last few days here in the