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Devon Thomas
Co-founder & CEO, Abliteration
Co-founded Abliteration, which sells API access to refusal-free open-weight models for cyber defenders and red teams.
Real Alpha has cut 4 moments of Devon Thomas (Co-founder & CEO, Abliteration) talking, from an interview on MTS published Oct 17, 2026.
What Devon Thomas said
Model Refusals Don't Stop Hackers | Devon Thomas
4 moments · 11 min
- 0:45
Cyber defenders welcomed access to less-restricted models
“But for the most part, all of our customers were really excited to have access to these models and to better be able to defend their own products.”
at 1:46 - 3:05
Defenders need to test systems before attackers do
“so like I said, so the point is, is that you can test your own system before some bad actor tests your system for you.”
at 4:17 - 18:06
Customers can define guardrails for their own deployments
“we do have a feature where in like natural language or otherwise they can set their own guardrails that works for like their organization”
at 19:26 - 9:17
Access limits can reduce misuse but cannot eliminate it
“it's always going to be best effort and i don't think you ever get to a point where it's 100 but you always try”
at 10:12
- 0:45