AI feels more meaningful when people stay involved

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Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.

1. 4:29

   And so I'm curious, how can we disperse this agency or create products that actually make people more ambitious, more creative? Somebody that I was talking to earlier talked about actually maybe if you introduce a level of friction into the experience or some sort of reading comprehension or something like that, some sort of pushback. I think that probably Claude was the first model that actually pushed back and so when i first started using it i was like oh this is definitely a point um of differentiation that i found interesting so how do you guys just think about agency augmentation in general oh that's a really big question i can give you like some random thoughts that are just in my head uh i think i think a lot about the ikea effect which i think has been pretty well documented this idea this idea that it was a cost-saving measure to

2. 5:21

   your furniture disassembled but as it turns out people really appreciate being part of the process it just makes them feel better yeah the other thing that i think about quite a bit is the um the notion that there's something about art that makes it more meaningful of the material itself like pushed back a little bit right like there's something imprecise and like cutting into marble or like using paint and it's sort of the resistance of the medium that makes it a more interesting experience both for the people who like do the actual art as well as people who like perceive the art later. And I think there's something that translates over to AI. Not everything, many things don't, but there's something that translates over into AI where I think the range to which you feel authorship goes up, the more you engage with the thing. Like if you just prompt

3. 6:06

   make me art and then you disappear for a week and you come back and it's done, you don't feel much. Either it's the person watching it, you also don't feel much as the person making it. like feeling just goes out the window um but if you really engage with cloud you have this like back and forth and it feels maybe in in my mind i'm probably making this up but in my mind like i'm sort of thinking of the great artists that had like workshops and a bunch of really smart assistants um if you sort of put yourself in a position of like a rubens right uh i think i think that's really where the magic happens now how do you put that into the product it's really really hard yeah i think we can just continuously nudge people in this direction of ambition right like make it easy to ask what's the capital of france but then be like why are you asking me