Palantir argues its software can protect data from AI misuse

Transcript

Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.

1. 9:00

   Why are German states boycotting Palantir and portray you as a force of evil although you are obviously on the side of democracies? I just... But nobody sees it that way outside of you. I mean, we have... But in Europe, that's a widespread sentiment, particularly in Germany. And the point I would say to especially Germany where I care is is that really the white cent? I think that's way downstream of very bad decision-making.

2. 9:32

   So they perceive Palantir, by the way, again, I really, really deeply believe the they here are the professional media, left of center politicians, people who equate Peter and me with an old version of Germany, which they do not want, and that the vast majority of Germans, the vast majority of Germans, would prefer a world where the decision making was rational enough so you could evaluate Palantir in a rational way. That's what I believe. But let me just get to the, but the technical point that I think is very important is the decision making is objectively wrong. From the perspective of how would you protect the data? You need an application layer. And so the crazy thing about what's happening in Europe is we have the only industrially used application layer in the world. That application layer protects your data from being essentially abused by large

3. 10:32

   language model providers. So what you have in Europe are technically illiterate bureaucrats that in the name of protecting their people from a company they don't like because they don't like basically what Peter and I represent, which in my view is actually old school European values. Old school European values mean the products are the best in the world and they actually are morally superior because of the competence involved.

4. 10:58

   And every single one of our products is like that. Those products cannot touch. So you're framing it as a moral thing. I'm saying the moral thing is way downstream of the competence problem. And if you want to solve the competence problem in tech in Europe, which is the bigger problem, Europe is not a relevant market for Palantir except for that I care. The main accusation is data surveillance. Palantir is a form of espionage, and the most aggressive term was, you are techno-fascists.

5. 11:29

   You are rather on the side of data surveillance, or are you rather on the side of... Well, first of all, the most interesting, fascinating thing, if it wasn't sad and very, very cowish is the products we provide pg for which is what she used in the police forces uh and intel services in europe uh foundry uh Nautology, which is used in the Ukraine, and Nautology is essentially an application layer.

6. 12:05

   These products are the products you will need and the only ones available at scale that I'm aware of to stop what people mean by surveillance. What do we mean by – what should Europe mean by surveillance? What it should mean is the IP, the indigenous know-how that still powers Europe, gets migrated to a different company, a company that's not European, that has no interest in Europe, that is not going to protect either the rights, meaning your right to privacy, your right to that data being purged.

7. 12:36

   Also, your right to have – I mean, in Europe, one of the things I've always embraced is in America, we have rights that are basically moral rights.