Some see OpenAI’s latest internal models as AGI-like

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1. 24:37

   that is always the company we've thought we are. How are you feeling about AGI these days? I mean, at best, you could say it's a very poorly defined term. I was going to say it's like an irrelevant marketing term. Well, last I checked, Earl's charter defines it as a highly autonomous system that outperforms humans at most economically valuable work. I think there are many people that would look at current models and say like, okay, it's there.

2. 24:58

   Yeah. Do you think it's there? Sort of. Close, at least. I've heard varying versions of what people on your team think. I think there are a lot of people who would look at our latest internal models and say this is very AGI-like. I think there are people who would say, here's something I can point to that it doesn't do, or it's really bad at, and it's not. But if you look at the value people are getting with, say, like 5-6 Soul, to say nothing of what I expect people to get from Astra, if you look at the way people have totally transformed their ability to be effective at work or do new kinds of things or just use this in their personal life in all kinds of wonderful ways. Big and small. Like you hear people who are like, I got this life-saving diagnosis I couldn't otherwise get. And I use this Chachapiti work session that

3. 25:47

   went for 34 hours and read 2000 papers. 34 hours? I've heard even longer ones than that. But yeah, many people can get it to run for more than a day. Wow. If you say like read every paper you can possibly find. And then also people who are just like, I planned my toddler's birthday party and it did all this stuff and coordinated these local vendors and found them a special cake and like i'd have a post office pickup at my house and i didn't want to fill out the post office website for him so i just had codex do it and it probably did a great job and i put the package out and it was gone the next day stuff like that it's like little but it's like that was 20 minutes of my time before i get that at this point i get those 20 minute wins all of the time and so you know if you could go back to 2020 and have a system that could get you a 20 minute win in

4. 26:30

   every category of your life and discover new science and start a like whole help you start a whole company and write a complicated piece of code would you call that AGI probably you would have what is the significance of like you declaring it I don't think it matters there isn't any it's just so interesting because like we're in this research building you guys have and it's on the walls when you walk around like we're building AGI but it's it's a thing you're always building it's not a end state anymore is it I don't want to say we've like declared victory on the AGI point and moved on but i think if you listen to the words people use they would talk much more about this like continuous ramp of super intelligence and all the ways that's going to benefit the world and what the challenges are going to be then like are we or are we not agi

5. 27:10

   i have not heard at a cafeteria table a debate about are we or are we not at agi and when will we get there in a very long time but then yeah the word super intelligence is now out there and people who don't follow ai are like okay now it's another we've like moved the goalpost and now and now we're talking about superintelligence. In your mind, Sam, today, what is the difference for you between AGI and superintelligence?

6. 27:34

   AGI felt like a milestone, and superintelligence feels like this thing that can just scale indefinitely. Indefinitely. Yeah. So it's not like some final all-known, They will never be declared victory on that. I mean, like, again, this is why all these terms are dumb. Someone uses that word in one way, someone else uses that word in some other way. So someone might mean to mean as like a definitive, understandable milestone.

7. 27:54

   And then some other people might mean it to be this infinitely scaling thing. I think the important part of any of this is not any milestone in any term, but it's that we are on this exponential of increasing capabilities and potential. And that looks like it's just going to keep going. Yeah, you see no sign that that exponential slows. Air pocket above. Because that has implications for, I mean, the compute buildouts, all of it.

8. 28:18

   I mean, everyone is waiting for a sign that there's a slowdown.