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“For you to have a natural, seamless IO to that paradigm, AI ends up being super important.”
Sundar Pichaiat 1:38:33 · Lex Fridman Podcast
1:38:33

Takeaways

  1. AI can make an AR interface feel more natural.
  2. Android XR is one path to a new computing paradigm.
  3. The OS could shift from apps toward adaptive agents.

About this segment

Sundar Pichai argues that AI can make AR glasses easier to use and imagines Android becoming more agentic. That makes XR part of a broader shift in how people interact with computing.

Sundar Pichai

Sundar Pichai is CEO of Google and Alphabet.

Helped build Google Toolbar and Chrome, then led Google from 2015 and Alphabet from 2019.

  • Lex Fridman, Host · Host, Lex Fridman Podcast

    Robotics and AI researcher at MIT; started the show in 2018.

From “Sundar Pichai: CEO of Google and Alphabet | Lex Fridman Podcast #471”, Jun 5, 2025. Watch the full episode

Transcript

Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.

  1. 1:37:36

    years android changed the game it's an incredible operating system we could talk for hours about android what does the future of android look like is it is it possible it becomes more and more AI centric, especially now the throw into the mix Android XR with being able to do augmented reality and mixed reality and virtual reality in the physical world. You know, the best innovations in computing have come when you're through a paradigm IO change, right?

  2. 1:38:11

    Like, you know, when, when with GUI and then with the graphical user interface and then with multi-touch in the context. of mobile voice later on. Similarly, I feel like, you know, AR is that next paradigm. I think it was held back both the system integration challenges of making good AR is very, very hard. The second thing is you need AI to actually kind of, otherwise the IO is too complicated. For you to have a natural, seamless IO to that paradigm, AI ends up being super important.

  3. 1:38:48

    And so this is why Project Astra ends up being super critical for that Android XR world. But it is, I think when you use glasses and, you know, always been amazed, like how useful these things are going to be. So I, look, I think it's a real opportunity for Android. I think XR is one way it'll kind of really come to life, but I think there's an opportunity to rethink the mobile OS too, right? I think we've been kind of living in this paradigm of like apps and shortcuts, all that won't go away.

  4. 1:39:23

    But again, like if you're trying to get stuff done at an operating system level, you know, it needs to be more agentic so that you can kind of describe what you want to do or like it proactively understands what you're trying to do, learns from how you're doing things over and over again and kind of is adapting to you. All that is kind of like the unlock we need to go and do. with a basic, efficient, minimalist UI.

  5. 1:39:50

    I've gotten a chance to try the glasses and they're incredible. It's the little stuff. It's hard to put into words, but no latency. It just works. Even that little map demo where you look down and you look up and there's a very smooth transition between the two. And useful, very small amount of useful information is shown to you. Enough not to distract from the world outside, but enough to provide a bit of context when you need it.

  6. 1:40:17

    And some of that, in order to bring that into reality, you have to solve a lot of the OS problems to make sure it works when you're integrating the AI into the whole thing. So everything you do launches an agent that answers some basic question. It's a good moonshot, you know. Yeah, it's crazy. But, you know, I think we are, you know, but it's much closer to reality than other moonshots. You know, we expect to have classes in the hands of developers later this year and, you know, in consumer science next year.

  7. 1:40:52

    So it's an exciting time. Yeah, extremely well executed. Beam, all this stuff, you know, because sometimes you don't know,