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Founders · 2 min · Nov 8, 2026

Google's ad salespeople couldn't control price or volume

Nikesh Arora · Chairman & CEO, Palo Alto Networks

Nikesh Arora sold ads without knowing their final price or how many searches customers would get.

In this episode

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  7. 44:37Google's ad salespeople couldn't control price or volume2 min
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Takeaways

  1. Ad prices came from competing customer bids.
  2. Search volume depended on user behavior.
  3. He sold with ROI math rather than a fixed price list.

About this segment

Nikesh Arora sold ads without knowing their final price or how many searches customers would get. He used ROI calculations to help them set a maximum bid.

Nikesh Arora

Nikesh Arora is chairman and CEO of Palo Alto Networks.

Chairman and CEO of Palo Alto Networks, which he grew into a $300 billion cybersecurity leader.

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From “How to Win Deals & Grow a $250B Business | Nikesh Arora, Palo Alto Networks”, Nov 8, 2026. Watch the full episode

Transcript

Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.

  1. 44:44

    Every morning you wake up, more people want to advertise. So it's an execution problem. When I joined, people were spending money at Google in Austria with an American credit card. That's the only way you could buy advertising in Europe. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? It comes like, I'm so sorry, I can't collect your money. You've got to go get yourself an American credit. card in U.S. dollars and then pay me.

  2. 45:02

    And they're doing it. Wait, let me do that. I'm looking and saying, we're making $10 million in Austria. We don't accept local currency. How the hell is this happening? That's a different business problem, right? You're just basically saying, let me see if we can get out of the way. So you're trying to eliminate friction and try to create scale, which was great learning for me. And I said, great, that I can do.

  3. 45:22

    I can eliminate friction and create scale. I don't have to worry about demand. I used to joke, like, and I used to go to a customer saying, what are you here for? What do you do? I'm the head of sales for Google Europe. It's like, what does that mean? So, well, I sell advertising. Great. So, how much is it? I'm like, I actually don't know. It depends on what the last guy bid. He's got to bid more than that.

  4. 45:38

    So, you can't tell me what it's going to cost me. I'm like, not really. It depends on how much you're willing to bid. Great. How much can you take a day? I don't know. It depends on the number of people who search because we can only serve ads when somebody searches. So, you don't know volume. You don't know price. Yeah. What kind of sales guy are you? Think about it. Yeah. I'm selling ads. I don't have control on volume.

  5. 46:00

    I don't have control on price. Price is controlled by bidders, and volume is controlled by people who search. I can tell you, when it rained in France, we used to get a lot more revenue because people sat at home and searched. That's good. So you've got to go to a customer saying, listen, the way it works is you work out an ROI. Every search is worth something to you. If I send you a search, look at your conversion rate.

  6. 46:20

    If you convert that into an insurance sale or into an e-commerce transaction, you figure out how much you're willing to pay for a lead. Well, a lead becomes conversion. So we used to sit and do ROI maths with our customers so they could understand what their maximum bid should be. And they would say, now go give us all your money and just as long as it hits below your bid, take as much sources as you can.

  7. 46:38

    That was my job. It's pretty straightforward. I'm friends with Adam Ferugui, the founder of AppLovin. And he's like very simple. Like I sell revenue. Like if they're giving me a dollar, I have to give them back more than that.