Joe Rogan Experience #2223 - Elon Musk

Imagine if there was a course that you could take. That course would promote, you would be 26% better. Everyone would have to take that course. Why would you want a surgeon that's less prepared? You would say, hey, Bob, did you take this course? You didn't take this course don't you understand this course makes you 26 percent better sure you would have to take it everyone should have to play video games yeah if you want to be a surgeon well I think it'd be it certainly would be a very good test to see if somebody can't play video games well like that means I mean because you got to move both hands simultaneously right better react to something very fast than on the screen so and and if your keystrokes or your mouse clicks or whatever are wrong then you lose the game right so if somebody has a good rank in video games, I would say that their manual, necessarily, their manual dexterity must be extremely good.

Well, it's so hard. Their fine motor skills have to be excellent. If you think about StarCraft or any game, like Quake, any game where a lot of people are playing, to rise to the top, you have to be exceptional, period, as a human being. There has to be something. Exceptional about you. Yeah, actually Quake way back in the day I was one of the world's best Quake players. I know we talked about this. Yeah, I loved Quake. Yeah Yeah, I mean my final semester in college I probably put more time to Quake than all my college classes. When I was on news radio All of the writers were super nerds They were very very fun guys and they had a land set up at the studio where they all played Quake I had never played video games and I would go in with the writers just kind of hang out with them We'd get silly and then we would all start playing video games and play quake against each other and I got Addicted like hardcore. I got a t1 line installed in my house. Yeah, I went hardcore Yeah, exactly checking how many milliseconds of latency. Oh, yeah, I was I was fully addicted I was making my own computers. I was going to Fry's hardware and buying motherboards and put everything together and you know

It was too much of a time suck though. I'm an obsessive person. I can't get involved like I can't play golf No, golf is too slow for me. I mean, a lot of people find golf good. I guess if you're saying you're going to walk outdoors with friends and occasionally hit a ball, and it's an outdoor walk, then that's cool. And it does require concentration when you're hitting the ball, but it's too slow for me. Nothing compares to video games in terms of the amount of feedback you get, Like the sensory overload you get when you're looking at a large, high-resolution screen. You have a fast computer. You have headphones on.

You're hearing sounds from here and sounds behind you and rockets are flying by you. There's nothing like that. But I think golf still is like – Jamie will tell you. Jamie's an addict. He's a golf nut. It's super addictive. And it takes like eight hours a day. Yes. Once you get into golf, I think, I guess any sport, it gets super addictive. But for me, the intensity of video games is hard to beat. Yes. And people dismiss it because they think it's just a waste of time. But we're showing, like, real-world benefits of people playing video games. Yeah. If you want to be a drone operator, it's the only game in town.

Yeah, absolutely. You have to be really good at video games. Yeah, for sure. So, in fact, I can actually tell, like, what my mental acuity is if I just play – if I play a very hard video game. So if I'm trying to sort of get, like, an extremely good clear time in Diablo or something like that or, you know, a first-person shooter or whatever the case may be, like, if I can tell that I'm tired or my brain is not working as well as it should, it's like a mental calibration. you can tell immediately like what is what what how good is your mental state right right um and you know so it's like like if you're trying to play really well like actually if you play late at night and you're tired you just play badly right and you can say okay you you may think you may think that your brain is working well but it isn't yeah you play the video game and you're like you suck so okay yeah you're putting it under stress yeah you're really stress testing it you stress tested and uh because like sometimes like oh i think i think i'm fine but then play the game like okay i'm not i'm like i'm like 10 below what i should be that's how i feel about workouts for sure like that's how i knew i had covid or i knew everyone in my family had covid and i was trying

to not get covid and so i was working out i was like something's up like i felt fine normally but then during exercise i was like okay i can tell there's something wrong here so let's just like back off relax yeah yeah it's like people who don't stress test their mind they think they're operating on the same level all the time like sometimes I come in here and I can't form a fucking sense and I don't know what it is it's like what is going on yeah so it's just like what sleep wasn't that good or something like yeah something like that or I'm too busy and it's just it's not the words aren't coming out like I know how to talk I talk professionally and I can't Talk, talk, talk.

purchase of a website or domain video game for like five minutes yeah i'm like okay my sleep wasn't that good um because it's my my you know and then sometimes they don't your brain will recover through the day and it's like okay like an hour or two after waking up it's better yeah Because your brain does kind of recover from bad nights of sleep a little bit. Do you know what really helps? Creatine, apparently. Does it? Yeah. Creatine is actually a nootropic, believe it or not. There's a lot of benefits to creatine that are really weird. Are there any downsides? No. No. It's a natural part of food.

Yeah. Yeah. Especially women. For women, apparently, especially post-menopausal women, it's very beneficial. Okay. But there's a lot of cognitive benefits. And one of the big ones that they found recently is performance when sleep-deprived. Mental performance when sleep-deprived increases pretty measurably when you supplement with creatine. Is creatine naturally occurring in, like, steak? Yeah, it's, like, naturally occurring in meat, I think. I think that's where it's coming from. I think it's primarily an animal-based thing. Yeah. I did switch to, like, steak and eggs for breakfast, and I found that's, like, a power-up.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're all overrun with carbohydrates. Yeah, totally. And you like carbohydrates make this big crash, the rise and the crash, the rise and the crash. You stay flat. If you eat like a primarily high protein, high fat diet. Yeah. Your body runs off ketosis. Yeah. I mean, I just have like steak and eggs, no, no bread or. Yeah. And it's great. It's great. Actually, it's a power up. I'd say people dismiss this whole carnivore diet thing because in our heads, there's a lot of propagandists that put this thing out there. that animal agriculture is the number one contributor to global warming.

Yeah, it's rubbish. Bullshit. It's not true. Bullshit. It's hot bullshit. It doesn't matter. Not only is it hot bullshit, but the real problem is factory farming. Regenerative farming is carbon neutral if it doesn't sequester carbon. The animals are not going to make any difference to global warming. None. No, it's bullshit. Zero. Zero is nothing. Do you think that that's just propaganda because of people that have a vested interest in like plant-based meat products and things along those lines, green energy? I think that's part of it. You know, you're generally going to get people pushing to avoid meat.

Like some people just, you know, maybe they've got a financial interest. Maybe they're just like vegetarians or vegans or whatever. Ideological interests. Ideological reasons. But it's not going to make any difference to global warming or, you know, the CO2 concentration atmosphere, really, if people eat fewer steaks. It doesn't matter. It's irrelevant irrelevant. I want to be super clear about that. Yeah, and not matter you will not even be able to measure it Okay, that's how irrelevant it is Isn't it funny that that's unmeasurable that's a heretic speaking like that's crazy talk now Nowadays, it's like you have to say that we have to eat less meat. No meat is bad. Totally As much as you want it's not gonna make a difference sing it sing it tell the world. Yeah, absolutely And if somebody says it does make a difference, I'm like, how will you measure it?

And if you can't even measure it, then it's bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. Literally, I won't be able to measure it. Well, there's so much bullshit out there. First of all, thank you so much for buying Twitter. You're welcome. Thank you so much. You're welcome. I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course of history. I really do. I really think you made a fork in the road. We were headed down a path of censorship and of control of narratives that is unprecedented. Forget about what they were able to do back when they had newspapers and the media under control. What they were doing with social media by suppressing information and when you had a combined government effort, like what they were doing with the laptop story.

We have 51 former intelligence agents saying that this is Russian disinformation. Take it offline. and Twitter complied, if you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that. We had no idea. Exactly. No, it's – I mean, the reason I bought it was because I'm pretty attuned since I was like the most interacted with a user on Twitter before the acquisition. So before the acquisition, I had more interactions than – like there's some accounts like Obama and whatever had higher follower accounts,

Elon Muskbut I had the most number of interactions of any account in the system.

So I was very attuned to, like, if they change the system, I can tell immediately. And I'm like, something weird is going on here, you know? Yeah. There's, like, I just got increasingly uneasy. And obviously when they de-platformed the sitting president, you know, de-platformed Trump, that was just insane, you know? And the things he was posting, like, he was posting things that, like, he was posting good things. He was saying like, hey, do not riot, don't do any destruction of property, you know, please stay calm. That's the kind of stuff he was posting. And you're like, what's wrong with that?

And then some people said like, oh, that's like some sort of dog whistle. He means the opposite. I'm like, okay. So we'll give you Trump's account now you put you post what you think you should post because he can post nothing You can ask people to calm down Like what? It was insane like it didn't make any sense Well, it's completely illogical when you say it's dog whistling to tell his followers to not be violent. Yeah crazy and crazy That's crazy crazy. Don't you think they'll listen to him? Yeah, isn't that the whole point? They listened to him and created violence in the first place. That's what you think exactly you're accusing him of right And then there's the fact that we know that there was agents in the crowd that were agent provocateurs that were encouraging people to do illegal shit.

We know that for a fact. This is not – that was always the big Alex Jones type tinfoil hat conspiracy theory because Alex proposed that back at the World Trade Organization protests. I believe we're in Seattle in the 90s. And they sent in agent provocateurs, started smashing things, lighting things on fire. Now all of a sudden a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful. They move in the cops. They shut everything down They had it set up where it was a no protest zone where you couldn't even have a pin that had the WTO with a red line through it They wouldn't let you go in through to go to work So you couldn't protest you couldn't exercise your First Amendment rights You couldn't even like have a peaceful protest a fucking sticker on your car. You couldn't have that. It's crazy. It's crazy So no, I think we're we were very much at a fork in the road in destiny Um, and, um, you know, so I, I mean, the reason I did the Twitter acquisition was like, it's like, man, if I don't do this, I think we're screwed is the issue.

Well, if you didn't do it, no one else was going to do it because it wasn't a financial winner. It was kind of a crazy move. It's a crazy move. I mean, the thing was way overpriced, um, and, um, you know, like long term, I think, uh, we can, we can ultimately make it a win for investors, but boy, this is a, this is a hard way to make a living well there's also a concerted effort to suppress it there's a concerted effort with the advertisers well we had a i still have a massive advertiser boycott that was organized by a bunch of left-wing ngos like uh you know and and you always want and i should have i should have brought my um i have a hat make all well fiction again i've seen that hat yeah i should have i was gonna wear my i should have brought my make oil fiction and how to get but but yeah I mean it's just totally totally nuts so if you didn't do it no one would have and here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots Elon's a bad businessman Twitter is worth you know 400% less than when he bought it no it wasn't worth that in the first place it wasn't worth it wasn't worth 44 billion dollars you fucking morons like wrong and also you're not taking into account the advertiser boycott exactly that's

total bullshit yeah exactly so there are these organizations like you can tell there's like they're like like when they have an Orwellian name so like that like the Center for Countering Digital Hate right is a total scam organization you know because they're like the Ministry of Truth yeah you know well you know they're like they're a censorship organization yeah and they organized and And they pushed the advertisers to boycott. So we still have – like some of the boycott is starting to lift. And I think if Trump wins, we'll see probably most of the boycott lift. But if Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott get stronger.

And they'll frigging shut down. There's no way that the Kamala puppet regime would allow X to exist. You really think that they'll be able to shut it down though? Is there a pathway to that? Yes. What would they do? Well, I mean, they can just they can stick the DOJ on, you know, and say like, you know, they've had this whole thing about like hate speech, misinformation, whatever, except that they're the ones pushing the misinformation. But that doesn't. them from filing massive lawsuits and using the DOJ. I mean, the DOJ has been attacking SpaceX, for example, for not hiring asylum seekers, even though it is legal for SpaceX to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident of the US. So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. This is just an example of what the DOJ can do.

So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen? um what spacex uh is considered an advanced weapons technology so it's it's covered by international traffic and arms regulations because we make rocket technology that can be used against the united states it's like if north north korea or iran got spacex rocket technology they could use that to launch nukes at america right that would be bad yeah that'd be really bad that'd be really bad so so we're uh since we are in like the most extreme category of weapons technology at SpaceX, under U.S. ITAR law, it is illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident because the presumption is that if they're not a permanent resident, they're going to return to their home country and take the rocket technology with them. So it's illegal for us to hire anyone who either has a permanent, they can have a green card or be a citizen. They just have to be a permanent resident of the United states um then there's another law that says if you if you discriminate against asylum seekers that's also you're also breaking the law so they just so that the doj which the doj can only do a small number of big lawsuits every year launched a giant lawsuit against spacex uh saying that

spacex uh discriminated against asylum seekers and we're like but we're like but it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident so we're in this like this is what i mean it's like oh well the orwell situation is getting insane like you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't so damned can you imagine history looking back up man at when you watch the robot arms catch the rocket and you realize like this is like one of the greatest accomplishments in the history of aerospace like it is one of the most wildest accomplishments when you watch that thing come and you see all those people cheering and it catches it perfectly like holy shit imagine how history is going to look back at the doj going after that company yeah how insane it is big lawsuit with an army of lawyers like this was not like some minor thing but doesn't even make any sense logically like how could it even get brought to court if it's illegal that's exactly so that's what i mean like like like basically if the government wants to go after you they'll just find a reason you know it's like that famous quote um from baria you know like So, like, Stalin's, like, chief torturer, the head of Stalin's secret police, and he's, like, chief torturer, truly evil human being, like this guy Beria, one of his famous quotes was, show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

Right. They just, like, they decide that you're the target, and then they figure out the crime afterwards. That's the issue. They decided SpaceX was the target. They just figured out the crime afterwards. Which is so crazy because that's exactly what they're saying Trump is going to do if he gets into office. They're doing all the things that they accuse Trump of doing. Yeah. Openly. Openly. Yeah. I mean, the sheer number of hoaxes that the Democratic Party is pushing over and over again. And it's like, look, I understand like politicians are going to exaggerate. They're going to misspeak. And they'll tell occasional untruths, whatever.

that's that's how it is in politics but when you have deliberate concerted repeated pushing of hoaxes you're like wait a second like come on man this is too this is too far and you're supposed to be the good guys you're supposed and you claim to be the good guys i'm like exactly you're supposed to be the progressives yes the dems are like oh we're the good guys we're the honest people no no hang on you can't You can't claim to be the good guys. You can't claim to be the honest people if you're deliberately post-pushing hoaxes that have been debunked thoroughly. Yeah. Like even Snopes, which is a liberal thing, says it's bogus.

Yeah. Like the fine people hoax. Obama just said that on stage. Obama just said that. I was like, what the flying fuck? He doesn't give a fuck. He doesn't give a fuck. They're just going for it. That's a flat-out goddamn fucking lie. Flat-out lie. Flat-out fucking lie. How about the other one where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was saying about protecting women from illegal immigrants? Thank you. You remember that? Yeah. What he was saying is, if the women like it or not, I'm going to do it. Yeah. When he was saying that, they were trying to say that he was taking away women's right to choose, whether women like it or not.

Like, that's not what he was saying. Absolutely. He was literally talking about protecting them from dangerous people that are sneaking in through the border. Yes, exactly. They'll take like not even a full sentence, like a half a sentence from Trump. Yes. And then they'll push it on every ad, every speaking event, every media. And it gets repeated on the news. Yes. This is what's crazy. They'll talk about it on these news shows, quote, news shows. Yeah, exactly. I mean, a recent one that came up, which had a lot of people – because a lot of people reached out to me. It was like – they're like, oh, Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney.

I'm like, that is utter bullshit. It's not what he said at all. It's not what he said at all. All he said was like, what he's saying is that, look, if Liz Cheney actually had to fight at the front lines, she'd think twice about going to war. Exactly. Like, it's easy to go to war. It's easy to be a warmonger if you don't have to, you know, risk dying at the front lines. like if other like basically it's fucked up if people are having like fancy dinners in washington dc um while people are being slaughtered in trenches you know it's like you're not feeling the pain exactly you're not taking the risk it's someone else dying that's like it's that's that's cruel and lacking in empathy um and and all trump was saying was that it's like liz cheney would be much liz cheney would be much less of a warmonger because she's a huge warmonger just like her dad if she actually had to go to the front lines and fight herself.

And meanwhile, they're saying that he's saying she should be shot. Yes, which is a total lie. But I had, like, tons of people call me this weekend saying, oh, Trump says he's going to put Liz Trini in a firing squad. I'm like, that is an outrageous lie. And legacy media ran with that lie big time. Yeah, it's crazy. It's just wild to see. And if it wasn't for Twitter or X now, I don't think we would know about all this stuff. i think it would be very difficult for you i think youtube throttled they did something weird they won't say what they did but they did something weird with the trump interview that i did yeah where you couldn't find it it doesn't make sense like like it made no sense i mean it's like the it was like the biggest interview on earth yeah and you can't find it yeah not only that it wasn't trending bullshit it wasn't trending it wasn't trending wasn't trending you're like like there's just no excuse for that man no excuse there's no excuse it was getting a million views one point what was it 1.4 an hour at one point time 1.5 an hour yeah and it wasn't trending yeah like and it's like it's like your channel is a known channel it's not it's not like it was started yesterday it's like yeah

it's like this is a high trust yours is a high trust channel it's like you're not trying to sell scam crypto coins so well thank God we put it on X as well Because I think just with your account and my account alone, it's like 70 million views. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, it's like you can't hide things anymore because of you. And if it wasn't for you, I think they would have had total control of social media by now. Yeah, that's true. They banned so many accounts during the pandemic, so many dissenting scientists and doctors and physicians. They banned so many conspiracy theorists, so many people that colored outside the lines.

They would have done. That everywhere, and it probably would have, I think, even what's going on at Facebook, they're being more lenient. You know, you hear Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance. That's entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kind of moved the watermark. Exactly. So as soon as any company steps out of line and is willing to actually have the truth debated on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow things to be more truthful, to not censor, because their censorship becomes glaringly obvious. Yes. Yes. And, you know, the best thing I found for as a rebuttal, like if there's a hoax, is just go to the source material.

You know, if somebody thinks, you know, Trump said that we should put Liz Cheney in a firing squad, I'm like, let me send you a link to X so you can watch his video. That's the best way. Yes. Don't take my opinion for it. Don't take anyone's opinion for it. Go to the source material. And community notes. Yes. And community notes is awesome. Community notes is the best. It's awesome. It's incredible. Yeah. because everybody gets checked yes including me yeah um and with community notes the all the software is open source and all the data is open source so you can recreate any given note independently that's amazing yeah that's how it's be that's how it should be total absolute transparency in every way um you know sometimes i get i get asked like oh you know can you remove a note uh you know mostly by the left but sometimes by the right i'm like i'm like i don't even to remove notes on my own account, nothing. And by the way, everything is totally open. So if I did that, it would stick out like a sore thumb immediately. Like it's not going to be subtle.

That is the best counter to misinformation. Yes, absolutely. Like let everybody look at it and say, okay, here's what the actual facts say. Yes, exactly. The counter to misinformation is better information. Not just that, but having it checked in real time by the community. So you have millions of people that can go over it and debate whether or not this is true or that's true. Yes. And like I said, the best way to understand the truth of things is don't take anyone's opinion for it. Look at the source material. So it's like look at what someone actually said. Look at what someone actually did.

Look at the real videos of the situation and then you can actually – you'll know what's real. So as of today, when you were literally on your way here, you sent me this text saying that they're trying to lock you up in jail in Pennsylvania. Tell me what the fuck is happening. Well, you know, there's the classic sort of Soros DA situation. So we're making a lot of progress in Pennsylvania. So, you know, I've given a whole bunch of talks throughout the state because Pennsylvania is the linchpin in this election. You know, whoever wins Pennsylvania wins the election. So I've been giving – I spent three years in Pennsylvania.

I went to college in Philadelphia. So it's not like I'm a total stranger to the state. You know, I spent three years there. And we've organized this petition in support of the Constitution, which I think is a good thing, and specifically asking people to – and we wanted this to be like registered voters in swing states. Like, basically, we want to send a message to the politicians to say that the people care about the Constitution because there have been all these attacks on the Constitution. Especially on the Democrat side, they've been repeatedly saying that the First Amendment is an obstacle.

And they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment is enabling disinformation, misinformation. And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment. Like freedom of speech, the reason the founders of the country put the freedom of speech there is because they came from countries where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot or imprisoned. That's why the First Amendment exists. And the Second Amendment is there to stop the tyranny of government. the second amendment the right to bear arms is there to protect freedom of speech um you know um you know and i've had these debates especially with people in la because they're like want to take everyone's guns away and i'm like yo can you guarantee me that the government that we will never have a tyrannical government in the united states can you can you make that guarantee but like well nobody can make that guarantee i'm like then we need to keep our guns because that's the that's what's going to stop it that sounds crazy for people to hear because they think about gun violence and gun problems and gun this and gun that. But that's the reality of the world that we live in is that tyranny is possible and it exists other places and it's slowly existing. It's slowly

rearing its head in the UK. You're seeing, I think the number of people that have been arrested for just social media posts is bananas. It's in the thousands. Yes. Several thousand people have been have been given prison sentences in the UK for social media posts where there was no explicit link to actual violence. But they just said it encouraged violence. Like, well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that media post? Well, no. And then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK. So they're quite literally releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for Facebook posts.

There's an actual thing happening in Britain. That is so wild. Like it's, you're like, what the fuck, you know, is going on? And what's insane to me is that... Make Orwell fiction again, you know? But it's all being encouraged by the left. Ketanji Brown Jackson, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton. John Kerry was one of the people who said that, he's on camera like a few weeks ago saying that the First Amendment is a problem. is an obstacle to fighting misinformation. Yeah, that's crazy. That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in community notes. You have a solution in something that could clear everything up, any confusion within a day or two.

And even without a community note, you can reply to a post with evidence that shows that the post is wrong. You don't even need community notes. I mean, community notes is helpful because it sticks to the original note. But in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong, here are the reasons, and here's the evidence. The argument is that people are too unsophisticated, that they're not going to research these things. They're going to be a victim of misinformation. So they're going to read something that's incorrect. They're going to run with it. People are going to die. People are going to ruin the world because people believed in misinformation.

It's a stupid argument. It's a stupid argument. Because it's an argument that they're too dumb to know what's right or wrong. If you know, because you're saying it's misinformation, why do you think that you're smarter than everybody who reads that? Exactly. And obviously anyone on the X system knows that things are posted and then there are replies and there are rebuttals and it's immediately corrected. But where are the corrections for the legacy media? Right. You know, when if, you know, some broadcast media, they say false things all the time. But it's a one way street. There's no rebuttal.

There's no counter. Right. Right. Who's apologized for being incorrect about what? Did Rachel Maddow ever apologize for telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine, you're never going to get COVID? The virus stops with you? No, never. Never. No one ever. It was not true at the time. There was no evidence to support it at the time. It's pure propaganda. And she said it. The Russiagate hoax. Exactly. For three fucking years, they said that he was Putin's toy. Yes. And that Putin had him compromised. The Steele dossier. The Steele dossier was completely fabricated by a lawyer at Perkins Coy, who was paid by the Clinton campaign.

literally crazy and still people think the russia hoax is real and there's no repercussions there's no one had to apologize hillary couldn't never came out and apologize for that and people still listen to her the whole thing is crazy and it's all coming from the left which growing up as a person who was in the left my whole life it doesn't make any fucking sense same I mean I even I I was on the left until like three years ago I mean you know left anymore it's the left anymore it's just like i think we obviously want i mean i i believe like we want freedom like like we want we want to maximize personal liberty uh i think we want we want to be kind to people you know we want to have empathy uh and um but it's very important to have personal freedom and a merit-based society and the left is is wants to oppress your freedoms especially freedom of speech, and they want to have a non-barrett-based society, you know, with race-based and sex-based preferences.

And it's like, well, wait a second. No, we just want people to succeed based on their skills and their hard work. And if they don't want people to express themselves about particular issues, then they're not doing the will of the people. And if they're trying to suppress people's ability to communicate, they're only doing that because they want to do things that people don't want them to do. And they want to silence opposition. That's all it is. And the fact that people can't see that and they want to call Trump a fascist, the whole thing is through the looking glass. I mean, it's like one hoax after another that they're perpetrating against Trump.

I mean, like they try to call the rally at Madison Square Garden like a Nazi rally. I'm like, yo, there was like literally an Israeli flag in the audience. I think like a quarter of the speakers were Jewish. Like there were people of every race, color, creed, religion at that rally. Like tell me what about that is Nazi? And yet it was portrayed as a Nazi rally. Well, MSNBC, they literally showed video of the Nazi rally from the 1930s and then compared it to the Trump rally. Ignoring the fact that fucking Jimmy Carter spoke there. There have been dozens of political rallies at Madison Square Garden.

Dozens. on the democrat side like people and people on x were like and here's exactly here's jimmy carter and here's and here's wait a second actually it looks like uh every presidential candidate has done a uh on the democrat side has done a rally at madison square gardens are they nazis too but what they're doing is they're preying on low information voters who aren't engaged actively on social media who don't have the time to look through everything exactly yeah like people are If people are just looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different worldview than if they're on X and seeing the actual flow of argument and the actual evidence.

Well, what was the pushback? Like what happened when you guys released the Twitter files? Because I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and on discourse. Because when we found out that that was the case, that the government was actually asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual, they did the same thing to Facebook. They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show. They suppressed the views by 50 percent of factual information. Yeah. No, there was massive government interference in Twitter.

But like Twitter welcomed it. That's important. All Twitter welcomed it. I mean, all Twitter was controlled by far-left activists, and they welcomed the government interference. They got paid by the government for it. That's crazy. They got paid for their time, correct? Yeah, they got paid millions of dollars for suppressing information. So it's like bill time? And a bunch of it was flat-out legal.

Elon MuskThe FBI had this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system, but all of the communication in this portal was auto-deleted after two weeks, which breaks federal FOIA laws.

So we don't even know what was said because it was deleted after two weeks. That's insane. Yeah. That's so crazy. It's so crazy that people thought that was okay. It's super not okay. No, it's super not okay. It's unconstitutional, and no one would want that. no one would want the government to have that kind of access exactly and what was the blowback like when all that stuff got released like you had to anticipate that there was going to be problems when you release that like what was what happened well we got a lot of we didn't lose a lot of advertising dollars and which is crazy because it's essentially like one of the most important forms of journalism yes exposing government corruption yes I I mean, this is the weird thing.

It's like the left used to be big on exposing government corruption. But once they control the government, they no longer want to expose the government to corruption. Right. They want to pretend that the left-wing government is incapable of corruption because we're on the good side. I think it may be just like whoever is in power kind of doesn't want the other side heard. um because as you pointed out like the left historically up until i don't know maybe even 10 years ago or something like that um was the free speech party and now it's the anti-free speech party and they just they use they use words like like oh well we have to be against hate speech and misinformation disinformation but these are propaganda words you know it's like uh well who's defining hate speech who's defining misinformation the government do you really trust the government to make that definition um the whole point of the of the first amendment is like you do not trust the government well especially when they're wrong and there's no repercussions yeah yeah like with the whole lab leak theory if you could you would get kicked off of youtube if you even presented this argument that hey maybe that coronavirus lab

where they're doing work on the exact same virus that got released. Hey, maybe that's where it came from since that's where the virus... started what do you think guys yeah they kick you right off of youtube yeah um yes exactly it's like do you think maybe the it could have come from a place called the novel coronavirus research institute like that john stewart bit that he did on colbert that was amazing what does it say on the door again uh can i see your business card and to see colbert like resisting it with every fiber of his being what's gonna happen to us he was totally cock blocking the bit to the point where Jon Stewart got off his chair and started walking around trying to take control.

Good on Jon. And then the left tried to cancel Jon Stewart. Of course! Meanwhile, he was right. And no apologies. No apologies. And, you know, the whole Fauci thing. Any criticism of Fauci. It's like anti-science. Fauci's a friggin' demon if you ask me. If you read RFK's book, the real Anthony Fauci, if that's correct, if the facts are in there that's true, it's all referenced, you could find the sources And on top of it, he's never been sued for that book, which doesn't make any sense. If he just made a bunch of lies up, he would get sued. Yes. So the guy's a monster. I think so. Yeah, I think so, too.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, like, just looking at the lies that he told, the way he tried to define gain-of-function research to Rand Paul. I think maybe a lot of people out there don't realize Fauci funded the bioweapons research that was going on in Wuhan. And he bank-shotted it off – like he can't send the money directly to China. So he just bank-shotted it off EcoHealth, this like fake nonprofit in the US. And they sent it to Wuhan. And Obama put the skids on that. He stopped that in 2014. Yes. I mean so to give Obama some credit, he actually was like looking at this to say, hey, this is crazy.

And so he actually did stop the – like the so-called gain-of-function – again, a propaganda word. because what is the function they're talking about? Death. Right. So if you actually use the right word, this is, gain of function is death maximization. Right. Then you're like, oh, hey guys, should we fund bioweapon research into death maximization? Because that's what gain of function means. Yeah, it means making a disease so that people can get it. Give it to people. By the way. What's that function again? Oh, the function is death? Oh, okay. So just call it a death-maximizing virus. That's insane. If you're doing research on that, and the idea behind this research is so that we can cure these things, how come you don't have a fucking cure?

Start with a cure. Cure first, disease second. It doesn't make any sense. Like, you guys had no strategy for dealing with it if it got out? And so you have to, like, make up this new vaccine in, like, record time, Operation Warp Speed, release it to the people with very little testing? It's fucking crazy it was crazy the whole thing's crazy and everybody just went along with it looney tunes next level well it's the psyop was fascinating to watch people step in that's like one of the biggest ops of all time of all time of all time and everybody got in line and when you take it back to when pharmaceutical drug companies were able to advertise on media in the 1990s that changed everything we're one of two countries in the whole world that allows this yeah and because of that because we don't have socialized medicine it's a complete profit scam and they went hard claiming all sorts of things that were never researched all sorts of things are not supported by data like the fact that it would stop transmission the fact that it would stop infection the fact that it was safe for pregnant women the fact that it was safe for children all of its bullshit yes and they pushed it on the whole world and if you didn't say that at a

cocktail party you were a pariah yes and you were an anti-vaxxer it was totally psycho it was like be in a Holocaust denier. You get kicked out of polite society. Exactly. Fuck bananas. And I should say like, I'm actually generally pro vaccine overall. You know, I think we should look at these things, but I believe in the scientific method. So you never blanket accept anything. You never blanket accept that any given medication or any given treatment is 100% good. You should always be with some skepticism. Especially when you're getting the data from pharmaceutical drug companies that have like a long history of criminal conduct.

Yes, they've got a vested interest in the research. It's sort of like asking tobacco companies about, you know, whether smoking is dangerous. It's exactly the same thing. I'm like, oh, according to our scientists, everything's fine. Yeah, they lied in court forever. The same thing they did with OxyContin when they said that it wasn't addictive. Like, they have a long history of being full of shit if it makes them money, and that's what they do. That's their business. They've literally lost multi-billion dollar lawsuits. Massive. They're in the business. You have amazing scientists, right? You have these clinical researchers, these people that develop these incredible drugs, and this is their job.

Their job is to figure out some new way to cure something, some new way to stop things. And then you have the money people. And the problem is when you have this one thing that you would assume they're only doing it to help people, and then they have this other faction that they're just numbers people. And all they give a fuck about is maximizing profits and making sure they literally have an obligation to their shareholders. They have to make the most amount of money possible. And so they just want to push it on everybody. Regard, like the Vioxx scandal. There's internal emails showing they knew there was going to be cardiovascular events.

People were going to get strokes. And they're like, I think we're still going to do well. And they did. They made like $12 billion. They got fined seven. And 50,000 to 60,000 people died. Holy shit. Yeah. One of them was a friend of mine got a stroke and died yet. No, he didn't die He lived but he was a really healthy guy He was like not the same after his knee problems And he took Vioxx and all of a sudden he was slurring his words and he couldn't concentrate and people like I think you're having a fucking stroke and they took him to the hospital and then then you have this giant class action Lawsuit then Vioxx gets pulled from the market and they get sued and the whole thing's fucking crazy But there's a long history this I think what is the number like one-third of the drugs that the FDA approves?

gets pulled it's fucking bananas that's crazy that's crazy you're shitty at one third of the things that you say are okay but yet you're trying to stop mdma therapy for veterans yeah they should let mdma through honestly that think they're actually help a lot of people it would help a lot of people help a lot of people there's a lot of different therapies specifically psilocybin ibogaine the fact you have to go to mexico to get ibogaine therapy for veterans so many guys i've talked to have gone over there and it's like completely giving them a a clean slate refresh their mind and totally new perspective on life alleviated depression cured addictions illegal yeah illegal oxycontin go get it yeah um and i know some people who like their life was ruined by oxycontin oh yeah because uh i mean it really depends on on you know somebody in individual biochemistry um like to me like like um opioids are not addictive to me like i you know i've had them when i've had operations or something and uh they they barely affect my pain level and they make me like itchy and uncomfortable they make me stupid exactly but but i'm like so so like like i could never get addicted to alcohol or opioids it's just impossible like it's because

my biochemistry just does not have like no but i love tasty food feel like you know yeah you know if if there's i'm addicted to tasty food sure um but like there's like can be like i have a whole wall of alcohol it's there for decoration i feel the same way i could easily quit alcohol i mean i'll go weeks without having a drink it doesn't bother me at all but i know some people they have one drink and they're off to the races and that's the difference in the the biochemical differences that we all have yeah yeah i mean i think that's the case with a lot of addictions i'm not addicted to gambling but i get it i see it i've seen it in people but i'm i'm i have this aversion to things that i know are going to ruin my life i i've i see that's why i've never tried cocaine i just saw too many people that it looks too fun i'm like i don't want to get involved yeah i mean i mean i think generally for any given uh drug legal or illegal you could the question is can you complete the following sentence blank made me a better person like I've never heard anyone say meth made them a better person or cocaine made them a better person no ever made a lot of soldiers better I think that's yeah I mean if you're doing but if you're like if your soldiers need to march

for three days in a row yeah it's really effective at that you know yeah I keep people give like France a hard time about, you know, capitulating in World War II. But you know what's worse than Nazis? Nazis on meth. Meth on Nazis. They're not stopping. Norman Ohler wrote this book. They'll have like six bullets. They're like, they're still coming. That book over there, Blitzed, is all about the use of methamphetamines and the different drugs that they gave their soldiers. The guys at the front of the line, they gave the most meth. Yes. They have different dosages. Yeah. I mean, you just basically think you're vulnerable on meth.

And, uh, so, so it's one thing, like I said, so one thing we, you know, have, have like the Nazis come after you, but Nazis on meth, you're like, holy shit, those fuckers are not stopping. For three days. They're not stopping. It's so crazy. Yeah. Yeah. That's not a statement. Meth made me a better person that you hear very often. I've never heard that before. No, you hear a lot of like psilocybin advocates. You hear a lot of people that talk about psychedelics. Exactly. I've actually heard many people say that, uh, LSD or, or, you know, mushrooms or, uh, MDMA made them a better person. Many people.

So that's why I'm like, I think a rule for the FDA should be like, hey, look, if you can complete the sentence, legal or illegal, that blank made you a better person, actually, then you got a good drug. And if you can't, you got a bad drug. Also, if there's drugs that are available right now that can absolutely ruin people's lives, the rationalization for stopping other drugs that might ruin people's lives, but also can help a lot of people's lives, it doesn't make any sense. It's basically the same thing as censorship. You're taking away people's ability to discern what's true and not true, and you're taking away people's ability to discern what's good for you and not good for you. And the way to find that out is to have as much information as possible. So to do research and actually to have unbiased, actual objective observers who are looking at all this stuff that give you real data. And the opposite of that, or the counter is like if you don't do that you're empowering cartels yes that's the whole reason why they have all that money it's because it's illegal to sell these drugs in america the demand is never going away so instead of like limiting the amount of drugs now you've got

toxic drugs because fentanyl and all this other shit has been because they're not pure so you're just killing people you're not saving anybody right by protecting them from themselves Sure, but it's a tricky situation because what do you do like if you just like say, okay now everyone can sell all these people that have been selling Boner pills now you could sell meth like holy shit You get that you get the double combo In the Vigrat it's a Vigrat and a myth, right? Jesus Christ. Oh my god. Oh my god. Well, I mean how many people are already doing that right now? with Adderall and Viagra. A bunch of people are doing that.

Yeah. There's a lot of people out there that are essentially on meth, especially people that abuse Adderall. They're basically amphetamined up all day long. Yeah. Adderall is low-grade amphetamine. Yeah. I have actually seen People, like, become much worse people if they take too much Adderall, like much worse. You know, it's like an anger amplifier. So there's, um, now I'm not saying, like, Adderall is something like where there's, there are pluses and minuses. It's not a clear cut issue. Um, it does help some people a great deal. Um, and, uh, but, but in, in higher doses, man, that, that stuff, I've seen people turn into just raging monsters on, on high doses of Adderall.

Just they're, they're just angry, like extremely angry all the time. Yeah. They're methed up. Yeah, that's what happens if you take meth. It's crazy. Meth turns you into a frigging rage demon. And so many prescriptions. And I'm like, Jesus. We Googled it. One year, there was like 39 million prescriptions for Adderall in this country. Oh, yeah. And once in a while, there's an Adderall shortage. And there's widespread panic. And then what do people do? And then it's the same thing as when they tried to limit the amount of Oxycontin. Well, people go to street heroin. And if you're addicted to Adderall and your dealer, the guy who sells you weed, it's like, hey, man, I can get you, like, low-grade meth, like the stuff the Nazis took.

Well, they had I-grade meth. Actually, they had pharmaceutical-grade. They had epic meth. It was, like, made by the – like, pharmaceutical-grade meth is going to be – like, there's – I mean, just look at the frigging online Wikipedia page. But there's, like, many different versions of meth. Like, they're all the same. And they have different effects. But, like, pharmaceutical-grade pure meth, you are going to be, oh, my God, super productive for a certain period of time. And you're not going to sleep for a while. And then you will have some anger management issues. Um, so like, uh, they actually, the, the, the Nazis, they did actually, um, uh, go, roll back how much meth they were using because they had, they had quite a few incidents of, of the, of the soldiers killing their officers because they were on too much meth.

Jesus Christ. That too many officers got fragged by the, you know, their platoon that was on too much meth. Because that happened quite a few times. Like you just, when someone's on a lot of meth, they can get very angry. Did you ever pay attention to when John McAfee was cooking meth in a lab in his backyard? I mean, McAfee's quite a character. He was a character. Character, man. We had him on the podcast when he was on the run. So he called in from an undisclosed location when he was running from, where was he, Costa Rica? Is that where he was? Belize. Belize, right. So when he was running from the authorities, he called in.

We had him on the podcast on the run. And I was asking him about these posts because there was an online account that was linked to him where he had this very detailed laboratory, like super sophisticated, making the best meth. Like a super genius cookin' meth. I mean, I think he, like, he had this lab. Like, he was making, like, a wide range of drugs. And I talked to, actually, like, a reporter who went down and, like, interviewed him in Belize. And the reporter said, man, that's one of the scariest things. Like, he was quite terrified. So one of the things that McAfee, he had, I guess, this trick where he would play Russian roulette with himself.

So he'd put a bullet in the revolver and they'd spin the chamber. And clearly he had some trick to know that it was not – there's some way that he knows it's not the right bullet. But I do wonder, like, if McAfee is high and he does that, he's not always going to get the trick right. Do you show he had a trick? Yeah, so according to this reporter, When he went to visit McAfee in Belize, McAfee took out the revolver, put a bullet in the revolver, spun the chamber, and then pointed it at his head and went, click. And the reporter's like saying, please don't do this. Like, this is insane. Click, click, click, and then pointed the gun at the ground, and next went, click, bang, and shot a bullet in the ground.

Jesus. That's a hell of a potty trick. Jesus. That's the next level of potty trick. That's the guy who's seen The Deer Hunter too many times. Yes. Remember that scene? Yes. When they were forcing. Yes. Yeah. That's a heavy scene. That's a heavy scene. De Niro and Christopher Walken. That's one of the greatest scenes in any movie ever. I remember watching that scene just like clawing at my pants. McAfee was a wild boy. Wild. And created brilliant antivirus software. Yeah. Yeah. He may have made some of the viruses too. You think so? It's possible. Didn't he give laptops to a bunch of government organizations?

With viruses on them, yeah, so that he could, like, pay attention to what they were doing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody whacked that guy. I don't know what happened to him, but he would be a guy that would be like, this guy is a little bit too loose. And probably had sensitive information, I don't know. For sure he did. I mean, I found him to be an interesting guy. I mean, like, I'm generally, like, feel like if somebody's not harming someone else, they should be okay. Now, there is some suggestion that McAfee, like, killed his neighbor in Belize. Yeah. Probably did. Maybe the neighbor was a douchebag.

I think he probably did. Seems like he probably did. Seems like the neighbor killed his dog. Yes. Right? And then it seems like he killed the neighbor. Yeah. Allegedly. Yeah. I mean. It seems likely. It's not a zero possibility. It's not. Definitely not zero. He's messed up. Seems more likely than not. He's a messed up wild man playing Russian roulette. Hey, maybe you kill your fucking neighbor. Yes. I mean, if somebody killed your dog, you'd be really inclined to kill them, too. Yeah. Somebody killed your squirrel. Yeah, John Wick. Yeah. The fucking squirrel thing is bananas. Yeah. That squirrel thing in New York?

The squirrel thing – so here's the thing about the whole squirrel thing is that how can it be that we live in America, supposedly land of the free, and the government can barge into your home with guns. So if you resist, you're going to get shot. Um, and then take your, your pets and execute them. Um, and if they can do that to your pets, what do you think they can do to you? I know that it's not an exaggeration. Absolutely. It sounds like you're, you're, oh, that's so crazy. How can you make that connection? But it's, that's, why would you kill that cute little squirrel that was obviously a pet and trained from the time it was a baby?

If you see the interaction that guy has with that squirrel, it was wonderful. It was really cute. yes absolutely there's it was just obviously it was a blood pet pet squirrel um and raccoon too um and doing no harm um and the the government comes in barges into the guy's house takes his pets and kills them and you know i i think this should this should really get people out there mobilized frankly because um you know everything you say that like the john wick movie where john wick's like you know he he wants to he just wants peace like you know in the drama movie just wants to he's like listen i want to retire and they offer him like tons of money like to eat because they want him to be an assassin to keep being an assassin like they're like they like offer him tons of money they're threatening he's like listen i'm not gonna be i'm i'm i'm out you know and they kill his dog that was a bad idea that was a really cute little puppy and the puppy was his uh ex-wife's gift to him when she died of cancer yeah great movie great movie the best revenge movie of all time because it's so ridiculous he kills everybody he kills everyone And you're rooting for him. Yeah, they shouldn't have killed his dog. Yeah, they fucked up and they shouldn't have killed that squirrel

They shouldn't have killed that fucking that squirrel. I mean It's like how many How many cases have we not heard about? You know? Aw, look at that little guy. And that squirrel clearly had a love relationship with that guy. He would hop all over them and climb on them. I mean, that was his pet. That squirrel thought of that man as his protector, as his companion. There was nothing wrong with that. And in Texas, it's totally legal. You can have a fucking zebra out here. You can have whatever you want. And that's the argument for freedom. And, you know, the flip side is you get a bunch of people with tigers in their backyard, which is not great.

It's like this was a fucking squirrel. It's not it's not an anaconda or a right or you know, you know crocodile or something that's or a chimpanzee Did you see chimp crazy? Oh, man? Chimps chimps chimps will eat your face. They will fuck you up They don't even the thing is they don't even kill you. They just cripple you chimps don't even kill people Yeah, which is really weird. They just bite your hands off and bite your dick off and tear your face apart Yes, they want to leave you they could kill you easily if a chimp want to just punch you in the head until you're dead It wouldn't take long, but they don't kill you. They just rip you apart. Yeah, and you And yeah, well you used to be able to have a chimp in a lot of states and then chimp crazy kind of exposed a lot of that And PETA did a great job of stopping people from keeping chimps as pets because once they hit like five You can't control them anymore. What's obviously totally understandable if somebody's got You know a creature that is dangerous to others, but like obviously a squirrel or raccoon or not well squirrels are fucking everywhere That's what's so crazy. Why can't you have it in the house? What kind of rules are we dealing with? You have rats everywhere. Yeah. I mean, they're allowing criminals to go free and like violent criminals to go free, but they're like spending your tax dollars to come in and execute your fucking pets. What the hell is going on?

Exactly. um but it's overreach it's it's government overreach and this just keeps getting worse every year and that's why that's why we've got to we've got to fight back against this um and um you know it's people say like well it's just a squirrel it was you know in john wick's case it was just a dog right yeah you know well remember the russian guy said it's a fucking dog It's just a fucking dog. There's a fucking squirrel. Yeah What's the funniest thing is when so It's just I just don't understand how anybody could justify it I don't understand how anybody like it seems to me that in a logical world all that guy would have to do is say Why don't you see me with this squirrel? This girl's a pet. Yeah, like look he hops on me He eats he sleeps. I can keep a gerbil, but I keep keep a squirrel. I can have a guinea pig I can't have a squirrel. I'm gonna have a chinchilla. My daughter has a chinchilla It's adorable.

Adorable little thing. Climbs all over. Can't have a squirrel. Even if they did take a squirrel away, couldn't they have released it into the woods or something? Well, the idea is you have to euthanize it because it's used to being fed. It doesn't know how to forage. It won't be able to find a home. Squirrels are brutal. Squirrels are absolutely brutal to each other. They throw each other out of trees, which is one of the reasons why squirrels can fall from like 30 feet and just kind of bounce off the ground and live. It's a natural adaptation. because squirrels, during mating, they bite each other.

There used to be like a rumor. There was a myth that squirrels bite each other's nuts off. Okay. That seems to be a myth, but it came out of the fact that squirrels are so ruthless during mating. So one female is just running away. I have squirrels in my backyard. I watch it all the time. One female apparently goes into estrus, and all the male squirrels fight to get to her. So they're running up trees and chasing each other around. trees literally throwing each other off trees to try to like so if this poor little peanut the squirrel who's used to living with a guy in an apartment like gets out there in the wild world at least I have a chance yeah at least he has a chance but I have a chance how about just leave him with the guy leave with the guy for sure what the fuck is wrong with you why are you killing that squirrel it doesn't make any sense yeah and then to add insult to injury there were a bunch of people on the left who were like actually posting that they're glad that's mega squirrel got killed which is fucking yeah the fucking squirrel has an ideology it's a cute little fluffy squirrel exactly well it's it's a nice symbol because most most like reasonable compassionate people think that's terrible and most people who have yeah exactly

think it's terrible terrible um so i don't know i mean i'm like i hope people just go out there and vote for peanut man if nothing else nothing else just vote for peanut you know they've done such a job of painting trump as a monster you know they've taken the worst things that he's ever said and he's not a perfect person but guess what no one's a perfect person they don't exist this purity test like if obama was a perfect person he wouldn't be lying on stage exactly that you know very fine people hoax exactly no one's going to be a perfect person but the thing that they didn't understand about trump is he's so crazy that if you tell him Like, he can't be president.

Like, remember Obama did that during that White House press correspondent? There's one thing that I am that you'll never be. President of the United States. And you see Trump in the audience going, okay, motherfucker. You know, the funny thing is I was actually at that White House correspondence dinner where, you know, it's supposed to be a roast of the president. Right. Trump's there. He's there. He's actually supporting. You know, basically, if you go to the YS Correspondents tonight, you're there in support, actually, of the president and support of the press. Right. And it's meant to be that you're roasting the president.

Like, Trump's just there. He's, like, actually, you know, just he's, like, there as part of the support. And then they turned. ...around and just started roasting Trump. And he's just sitting there. I'm like, he's like, yo, I just came to the dinner. I wasn't, I'm just here to support. We know what it was because of, right? The birther stuff. Oh, okay. That's what it all was. It was all, Trump was at the head of a lot of these people spreading this rumor online that Obama's birth certificate was forged, that he's actually from Kenya. And what's weird is if you go back to Obama's early days, there are some things that say he's from Kenya Like I think in his something from college said he was from Kenya But you know that could just be you know people print things wrong all the time It doesn't mean he's actually from Kenya But Trump was one of those guys that was like spreading that supposedly false rumor Was he pushing it hard?

I mean this is the kind of thing where I want to just go and look at saying what did he actually say? No, he definitely was. He was definitely saying, you know, look, he, I don't think he has the time to go into things like very deeply. And so I think he could probably be influenced by a bunch of people like these Marjorie Taylor Greene type people come to him with some wild ass theory. Sure. He might be. And I think there's a lot of that stuff that gets fed to people on purpose so that they'll say incorrect things so that they're easy to dismiss. And I think there's also a lot of people that just make shit up and, you know, they tell you the earth is flat and then a bunch of people watch a YouTube video and they believe it.

Yeah, well, but on that White House correspondent, I was there, and the degree to which they attacked Trump at that White House correspondent was really – it was so over the top. It was like making everyone uncomfortable. Really? It was really over the top. I mean I think like sort of a passing joke of like – a few passing jokes are fine, but they twisted the knife big on Trump in that. And you could see Trump just getting, like, angrier and angrier and more and more upset. I wonder if that's because— And it's like, man, this is not good karma, you know? That's what I was thinking at the time.

I was two tables away from Trump, and I'm looking and I'm like, man, this is too much, you know? Well, it's kind of crazy what they made out of that because that's the kind of guy that if you tell him he can't do something, he's going to just keep trying. It was a big mistake to rag on him so much that White House corresponds to him. Well, just look at the way they've attacked him just using the legal system, like this thing in New York where the 34 different felony counts were essentially misdemeanors. There are bookkeeping errors that they decided, even though it passed the statute of limitations, they decided to try him for these.

They didn't identify a felony. Abuse of the law is what's going on. But most people would have quit. Most people after the E. Gene Carroll lawsuit and this lawsuit and all the other ones are there the insurrection thing the Georgia thing all these different things They getting kicked off of Twitter most people would have just like this is too much. I can't take this But he's so fucking crazy. He's like alright, come on. We're going to war and he just Digs his fucking heels in and keeps going. Yeah, it's it's the wrong guy to do that too Attacking him at the White House correspondence dinner. Most people would have been humiliated. He got angry And he's like, yeah, all right.

You say I can't be president? I've been thinking about running for about 15 fucking years. Finally, I'm going to run. Yeah. Yeah. That was a real bad move. But, yeah, I mean, I can certainly understand, like, making some jokes about, like, you know, a few sort of passing jokes on Trump. But, man, I was there at that dinner, and they ragged on Trump so much, it was insane. The reason why I would push back on that, because I would say there's a bunch of different speakers, right? And Trump would obviously be a target. And if they all attacked him, it's because he's like, if you're going to make fun of people in the audience, and especially in the zeitgeist, that whole birther thing was big.

And most people were dismissing it as being a ridiculous conspiracy theory. who the fuck is this guy saying this and so you have eight to ten individual speakers that are writing monologues of course they're all going to hit trump yeah well anyway obviously it was a mistake yeah they shouldn't have done that and and but like i'm like you know invite people to watch that the original source material and uh i think a few jokes are fine you know it's like but but it's like you shouldn't be the like it felt like he was the primary object of the roast yeah which just that's that's not the whole point of the thing is to roast the president not the audience the thing about it is like he's easy to roast yeah and then on top of that obama was like loved and cherished by the left and most of those people are on the left there's only so far you can push you know you can't ask him about a chef you know there's like what happened with the chef bro you can't there's like certain things you can't bring up what's your favorite sport paddleboarding Yeah.

Wasn't that guy a really good swimmer? Yeah. Tell me what happened. Yeah, exactly. You can't bring that up. Like, if you're going to roast Hillary, you can't bring up the death count. Like, Hillary, what's the best way to stay in touch? Email? Yeah. If you're doing one of those things. You know, she destroyed the servers and poured, like, bleach on the servers, like computers. She poured bleach on them? That's what I saw. Yeah, that's what I believe. Wow. It wasn't just, like, they took a hammer to it. They like destroyed that like there was no possible way to actually get forensics on the thing. What was in there?

That's what I mean. What was in there? Why would they care so much? That's so crazy. Yeah, the whole thing there was there was no there was no legal action against that Which is clear destruction of evidence. Well, it's also there's this other narrative that always drives me crazy is that he's going to destroy democracy so in order to destroy democracy we have to install a president without a primary we have to have a candidate that is the least liked vice president of all time the least popular vice president of all time and then use gaslighting and the full force of the media machine to turn her into the future and hope and then we're gonna she's gonna be changed even though she's a sitting vice president and then on top of that this idea of change when the Democrats have been in control for what 12 or 16 years right which is crazy like this is the change yeah I mean obviously I view this election as a turning point like a fork in the road of destiny that is incredibly important you know I've not I've not been politically active until this election and the reason I've been politically active this election is because I think if we don't if we don't elect Trump I think we I think we will

lose democracy in this country. We will lose the two-party system. And let me explain why. So there's only like six or seven swing states. The margin of victory in those states is small, often like 10,000 or 20,000 votes. What the Democrat administration has been doing is importing vast numbers of illegals into swing states. You can look at the numbers on the actual government website, meaning you don't take my word for it. You can just look at the numbers as reported by the government, which is controlled by the Democrats. And what we're seeing is triple digit increases in the number of illegals in every swing state. In some cases, 700% increases.

These are gigantic numbers. So if you have a state that has a 10 or 20,000 vote margin, and you put 200,000 illegals into that state, you 10x the, you swamp the, it's not a swing anymore. It's going to vote blue. And then once the swing states vote blue, there is no election anymore. There's only a Democrat primary. Which is so crazy. And it's so crazy that people are fine with that. Well, I guess people on the left will be fine with that because they think that's a good idea. They just want to win. They just want to win. Correct. The thing is, one does not need actually any grand conspiracy theory.

For this, you just have to look at the simple matter of incentives. If the Democratic Party wants to basically achieve permanent victory, all they need to do is turn the swing states. Turn the swing states blue, they have permanent victory. And then we're a one-party state, and then they will keep doing that, obviously. They will keep stacking the deck by bringing in vast numbers of illegals into the swing states. keep stacking it so that the next election, each successive election will be worse than the last one. And that's what's happening. And if you want to see like, well, is this actually going to happen? Look at California. California is supermajority dem, 70% dem. A month ago, they passed a law making it illegal to show ID in any election in California. So a friend of mine went to vote uh in in palo alto because he was like is this for real he tried to show his id and that they reacted like a like like like if you show a cross to a vampire okay they're like no we can't even look at that id it is illegal for them to even look at your id if you want to present it in california why for any election at all even like city council what logical reason other than to cheat would you ever have that law the reason is to cheat that's but the

obvious it's only like you can never make an argument any other way and I think 84% of people polled believe that you should show ID to vote so it's against the will of the people yes and we are extremely rare we're an outlier in not requiring ID basically almost every country on earth requires that you to vote. So as soon as you ban ID for voting, it makes fraud impossible to prove. Because how do you trace the fraud? Right. Yeah, it's insane. It's insane. It's insane. And what I'm saying is that- How is it legal? What I'm saying is this election is the last chance to preserve democracy in America. Mark my words. Everything they accuse Trump of, they are guilty of. And if Trump doesn't win, this will be the last real election in America. And if the big government Kamala puppet machine wins, they will legalize the illegals in the swing states. There will be no swing states.

Every election going forward will be a guaranteed Democrat win. And it'll actually be worse than california the reason it'll be worse than california is because the one thing that keeps california from being super crazy is that you can move out of california like you and i did you and i used to be in california but we moved to texas we're still in america but if if the dams win this election they will legalize enough illegals to turn the swing states and everywhere will be like california there will be no escape that is so insane this is the final This is it. This is the last chance. Has anybody tried to push back?

I just want to, like, go out and vote. Vote like your life depends on it. Vote like your future depends on it. Because it does. This is the last chance, man. Is there any argument against this? Has anybody tried to debate this? Has anybody tried to say that this is nonsense? This is a conspiracy? Has anybody made any sort of a rational argument? Uh, the, the, the left actually, interestingly, does, does not want to pick up much on this argument because it's, because the more attention you look, the more you look at it, the more obviously it is true because you just say like, well, are the numbers correct? Have, have, are there really this many illegals that have been important to swing states? Yes. They haven't just walked across the border. They've been flown in, flown in, in airplanes. Yeah.

Using a shipping app. Yes. Yeah. They made an app. Well, the app always existed, but it used to be for people coming over here, like, shipping with goods so they could track you while you're in America, so you could legally be here, they know where you are. And then they changed it to allow that app to schedule illegal aliens to come across the border. Yes. Asylum seekers. Yes. Come on in. Yes. Oh, you have an app. And you fly people in. they're literally being flown in yeah to the swing states and the so the reason that i think left doesn't want to uh push back on this is because the more attention they get that this gets the more people realize it is true yeah it is true that's why they don't that's why they're they're just pretending that they're pretending i'm not saying anything but i'm like i'm like yo the you're they're literally flying vast numbers of illegals who are then beholden to the democrats and and Sometimes I get the rebuttal of people who say, like, well, you know, these illegals are – they don't have the same social values as the Democratic Party because they're, like, more socially conservative.

I'm like, yeah, but that's not the point. If you look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, their primary thing is staying in the country and getting their friends and family in. And then the Democrats give them all these benefits, like tons of benefits. More benefits than citizens, literally. Yeah. So they're beholden to the Democrats for all these benefits. They want to get their friends and family in, which the Democrats support and the Republicans don't. So they vote Dem. And you can look empirically at California and say, like, did they vote Republican or Democrat in California? Oh, they voted Democrat.

Big time. Well, Reagan gave them amnesty in the 1980s. And that changed the state basically, except for Arnold, changed the state entirely blue. Yes. And Arnold was an exception because he was like a socially liberal, famous guy. Yeah. And, you know, didn't really impose any radical restrictions on any of the people that were going to vote Democrat in the first place. The whole thing is just it's bizarre to watch play out because it just seems like there's no, this can't be actually what's happening. Did you see my conversation with Fetterman about it? Yeah. He was completely in denial about it.

I don't think there's that level of organization. I'm like, what are you talking about? Exactly. Because you can break it down. So are any of these numbers wrong? Because we got these numbers from HomelandSecurityGovernment.gov. We got it from the .gov website. Has the government reported these numbers incorrectly? No, they have not. Those numbers, if anything, are low. So, okay, so they have, in fact, flown vast numbers of illegals to swing states. Yeah. Bypassing the border entirely. And so that is factually true. Then you say, like, well, what is their probable voting pattern? Oh, okay, overwhelmingly Democrat into swing states.

And then, well, do the Democrats actually want to fast-track them for citizenship? Oh, yes, they do. You can see Chuck Schumer on TV saying – at a rally this year was saying he wants to fast-track and make all 11 million or however many, I believe his quote was, citizens as soon as possible. The goal is to – they are fast-tracking citizenship as quickly as possible so they can – whether one thinks it's cheating or not, it won't matter because they will be fully able to vote. and for people on the left this is actually happening i invite people to rebut this and show me where i am wrong please do so no they can't they can't they can't because it's true well what's scary to me is that there's people that are on the left like people that were bernie sanders supporters for example example like that screwed with the like talk about undermining democracy bernie should have won the nomination exactly they stole it from him and gave it to Exactly.

Exactly. That's what I was going to bring up. They control the primary process. Yeah, exactly. So if you have a Democratic primary, it's not Democratic. We just saw that. We saw it with Bernie. We saw it with Kamala. A week before Biden was summarily fired, he was posting that he's in it for the long term. He's going. Yeah, yeah, he's he's he's not giving up and the next thing you know Sunday afternoon they're posting on X Is that that he's resigned from the race? Which is and his staff didn't even know like they're reading it on the X platform that that that Okay, that's how they learned about it. What do you think happened there? How did they do that?

They I mean, he's clearly just not not in charge They could have used the 25th Amendment, right? Fake president. But they would have had to admit that there was a certain period of time where they knew that he was mentally compromised. Yes. And so they made this decision to not do that. Well, the weird thing is that the president's supposed to be the boss. Right. And yet he's obviously not the boss. Right. So who's running the country? If she's busy campaigning, she's so busy she can't do anything except Saturday Night Live. She did that. She's so busy. She's constantly campaigning. How could you be paying attention to international relations?

How could you be paying attention to the economy? How could you be paying attention to any of those things? How do you have the time? You can't. Yeah. I mean, Biden being – the president is supposed to be the CEO, the chief guy. He was the commander in chief. But it's just obviously that Biden was not. He was just a puppet. And when the various puppet masses decided that the puppet was no longer useful, They just tossed out the puppet and then got a new puppet with Kamala. I mean, Kamala can't even talk. I mean, you invited her on your show. I think the most damage that could possibly be done to her campaign is going in your show and seeing what she says in hours two and three.

Two and three is when things get spicy. Two and three. And I'm like, oh, my God. You can hide for 20 minutes. She's going to melt. You can hide for 20 minutes. Exactly. Yeah. I mean you can just regurgitate talking points for you know half an hour maybe an hour just where she's just saying like non sequiturs But eventually she just runs out of even the runs out of non sequiturs. Well, they wanted to limit it to an hour exactly That's why but I was thinking of doing it initially before Trump came here First of all when they found out that there was a rumor I never announced that Trump was coming What I was gonna do is just release it in my the way I like to do things I don't like to tell anybody who's coming on it'll get big no matter what if Trump was on it would have been huge I'm like just put it out there people go crazy Yeah, but he apparently or someone from his organization someone some loose lips and then it got out and so she contacted my management company and They her organization her her campaign camp contacted us and said would Joe have her on I said yes And they said she wants you to fly to where she is and she's only willing to do 45 minutes only for i mean that's and i was like oh no so i thought about doing i'm like maybe maybe i can

get a sense maybe i could convince her maybe i could coax her into doing more time i just wanted to talk to her yeah i don't give a fuck what we talk about we talk about recipes i don't give a shit exactly just talk to me just the things like you just can't like you can't just output bullshit not sequiturs for three hours right um so but 45 minutes you could do uh i thought maybe For 45 minutes, I could get something out of it But then when Trump came and did the three hours, I was like, you know what? It has to be like this This is the only way to be fair. It's got to be this like it's three and it should be in this room Yeah, because this room is like a history of people Actually, yeah, it's got good vibes. Yeah. Well, I this room actually I Subscribed to the idea that places have memory. Yeah, I think there's something real to that. That's why I like this feel that way Actually, yeah, I'm sure if you go to Diddy's house probably feels weird You know, we're walking around that house probably like what the fuck happened here Yeah, I bet there's some memories in that house You know sounds rough man. Well, it's just amazing how many people in the Diddy party list that are supporting Kamala. Yeah, seriously

It's like a publicly openly like all in yes, it's like JLo like it was was like his ex-girlfriend And it's like now deciding she's like warning people against Trump. I'm like, well, wait a second So how many people did she warn against Diddy? Right. Oh, zero. Okay. Well, maybe we shouldn't trust her opinion. Did you see the Babylon Bee's take on it? Did you see the Babylon Bee? Babylon Bee's awesome, but... Oh my God, they're so on fire. Because the left can't say anything. The onion has been crippled. Well, the problem is that... Find that pose. The woke ideology makes humor illegal. Yes. So when there's so many humor no-fly zones, you can't make fun of anything.

yeah um babylon b had a thing about kamala harris diddy's ex-girlfriend urges americans to trust her judgment yeah by the way you get to see how bad an actress she is too that speech was terrible like if she's gonna be wanting people why does she never want anyone about diddy exactly yeah the whole thing is so strange to watch play out it seems like the diddy thing was like an epstein type compromise deal where he had whether he was doing it himself conceivably people want to think that he's attached to some intelligence agency or something like that i think he's a gangster who made a billion dollars and knew how to control people by compromising them that's what i think whether or not he was he had help i don't know whether or not he shared some of that information with people so they knew they had compromising stuff on people i don't know but clearly he was doing it for his own jollies too there was something sick about it yeah um i mean and the thing is that people in the music entertainment industry had to know that that daddy was like abusing you know kids basically um and yet they still fed him kids unlike there's where's it kind of had to be rumors there had to be there had to be they had to know yeah they had to know

cat williams is talking about it on exactly yeah on that podcast but but like who's it's like who's feeding him the kids you know right yeah and what what videos do do they have of these people where they're willing to defend him and they're willing to keep keep quiet about all this like how much how much how many people were compromised yeah the whole thing is fucking crazy crazy it's just crazy when you you know because the the nutty conspiracy theorists is like oh there's a bunch of pedophiles in Hollywood and you're like come on that sounds too kooky and then you read you see like the nickelodeon thing and all these different you're like what the fuck how much of this is real there's a lot more real than i think people realize yeah um i mean part of it is like like you say like where uh you know if someone's like a pedophile they're going to go for a target rich environment right obviously like that jimmy savile guy from the uk that guy was some next level that was next level and the bbc tried to hide that what that that guy was one of the worst like like basically child rapists of all time of all time of all time yeah and looked like one looked like one that's honestly if you're a poster of like yeah

does this guy look like a look the creepiest guy evil child rapist yeah that harm sent he made it to the grave like yes it got away with it got away with it till he died they hid it from people until he died yes yeah there's that stuff's real and no one wants to believe that stuff's real like here's a Here's a statistic that people need to take into consideration when you think about illegal immigration. Do you know how many kids are missing? Like missing in what? Kids that came across the border that are unaccounted for. I mean, there's a number on like 300,000 or something like that. Something crazy like that.

Let's say it's only 10% of that. That's still insane. Yeah. That's insane. There's thousands and tens of thousands of kids that have been trafficked, potentially. I mean, when you know that, like, sex trafficking and child trafficking is a real thing in the world, it's real. Yeah. So if you know that... This whole thing is fucking disgusting and terrifying. Yeah, absolutely. And people are just turning a blind eye to it because their ideology, the left-wing ideology, supports this idea that immigration is overall good and that you have to be a compassionate person to let these people in and that you're racist if you don't want 20,000 immigrants from a war-torn country being imported into a town of 30,000 people.

Exactly. And completely changing the dynamic. But as long as they don't come to your town. Exactly. They can just basically send – when they sent like whatever, like 20 or 30 people to Mothis Minions, people had a heart attack. They kicked them out. Yeah, they kicked them out. Yeah, they kicked them out. Exactly. So I'm like, yeah, sure. Anyone who wants to have vast numbers of illegals, they have to be prepared to have them in their neighborhood or it's bullshit. It's so crazy. And the thing about all of this is if you don't have people that are willing to stand up and talk about it, if you don't exist, if RFK doesn't exist, if Tulsi Gabbard doesn't exist, if Vivek and Trump don't exist, where the fuck are we?

Like, where are we? Where are we and what gets done? Are we just like the UK where we have thousands of people getting arrested and jailed for social media posts? Like, where are we? We have complete silencing of any dissent, anything. You have to stick to the narrative or you'll lose your livelihood. You'll be outcast from the community. You'll lose your freedom. It's crazy. Yeah. Well, if the Kamala puppet regime wins, they're definitely going to want to cancel you. That's for sure. Oh, for sure. Yeah, 100%. It's going to be a problem. Yeah, big problem. Yeah. What about you? You're going to come for you first.

I'm like, I think I'm probably number two on the list after Trump. Yeah, I think so. Well, that's the last thing they want is someone with unlimited resources and intelligence attacking it. So people go, wait a minute, that guy's saying that? Yeah. Anyway, especially a guy like you who's always been on the left. It was like having a Tesla in Los Angeles when I got my first Tesla was like a signal to everybody else that you were on the right team. Sure. You're environmentally conscious. You believe in green energy. You believe in this amazing thing that has zero emissions and it's super fast. Everybody was in.

They were all in. Well, it is a great car objectively. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's not buy it because it's electric. I mean, it's just a great car objectively, I think. I'm on my third one. Yeah, go ahead. My third one is being built right now by Unplugged Performance. They're doing a carbon fiber wide body kit on it. Dude, it's sick. Great. Changing the suspension, putting wide wheels and tires on it. Custom interior. I'm fucking pumped. That's great. I'm pumped. I love that's a super fun car. Jamie has one too. Yeah, I love them I love them. I it's it's makes other cars feel stupid Like its ability and the fact that you can merge on the highway You don't seem like a douchebag because it's totally silent. Yeah, it's not like like when you merge on the highway just Yeah, also you're going 100 miles an hour like what? Yeah, it's cool. It's different than any other vehicle and because of your company now You see electric cars throughout the whole range of American cars. Yeah, the only person's resisted the only company is Toyota They've stayed essentially mostly hybrid, but all these other companies. They're all putting out these electric cars. Yeah Yeah, I mean the things that the right architecture environmental or not it for cars is actually electric you just it's just like the acceleration is better

You can just charge it at home. I mean like imagine if you had a gasoline-powered cell phone It'd be a pain in the ass, right? You know Go to the gas station Charge up your cell phone. That's a great Speaking of cell phones gas stations are Are awful like who wants to go to the gas station how much thought of you because there's always these rumors and I've Contacted you about this before but there's always these fucking YouTube videos where they're talking about a Tesla phone that releasing a Tesla phone No, we're not just doing it. Have you ever thought about it? I mean we could do a phone since like Like the operating system in Tesla, it's Linux-based, but we've written a massive amount of software on top of that.

So probably Tesla is in a better position to create a new phone that's not Android or iPhone than maybe any company in the world. But it's not something we want to do unless we have to or something. What would be the situation where you would have to? Well, I think if, you know, if Apple and Google slash Android, you know, started doing really bad things like, I don't know, like censorship of apps or, I don't know, just treating people, like just being like gatekeepers, you know, that in a really bad way, then I guess we'd make a phone. Hmm. You know, I've tried so many times to break loose of the Apple ecosystem.

I got an Android phone this summer. I was like, that's it. because I love the Samsung phones, the Galaxy phone. The hardware is great. They're incredible. There's so much good stuff to it. But it's so hard to get off of the iMessage. And the big one for me was FaceTime because supposedly the thing was you could have an Apple phone and send a link to FaceTime to an Android phone, and then you would click on that link, and you would just go to a web page. You'd be able to use FaceTime. Okay. It doesn't work. Okay. I try to do it to myself. So I had an iPhone in one hand, an Android phone in the other, and I'm sitting there with full Wi-Fi and full cell phone service, and I'm sending myself invitations for FaceTime.

So you just can't communicate between – you can't do a video call basically. You have to use WhatsApp. You have to use WhatsApp or Signal. You have to use something else that allows you to do that or Instagram allows you to do it. There's like different ways you can make video calls outside of it. inconvenient like with an iphone to iphone it's so simple airdrop so simple so many different things where that walled garden that apple's created is perfect they've done a fantastic job of making it really convenient for you to stay with apple yeah i fucking tried i gave it a go for like a couple of months i'm like i'm just gonna go straight android we're gonna i'm gonna use signal for my messages and then i hear that like signals might be compromised like i've talked to like people that like the government can read signal messages like oh the government if it tries hard enough can read single messages they can read anything yeah if all they need to do is have your phone number yeah yeah you the illusion of privacy is essentially out the window and uh that's that should scare people more than it does it really should because it's like who are these people that have access to all this stuff and are they beyond reproach are these the most wonderful

people the most ethical moral and principled people that have ever existed and they've been chosen to have access no no it's fucking regular people yeah regular people who happen to work for the government that make a decision like elon must let's look see what the fuck that guy's texting his friends let's check it out yeah pretty much bizarre just so bizarre and the alternatives are you can get some wacky phone some de-googled phone that fucking none of The apps work. It's real sketchy. Your GPS is fucked. Yeah, I mean, well, anyway, I think this banking phone would be a huge pain in the ass.

So it can't be done. But how much talk have you guys had internally about doing it? Has it ever been discussed? No? No. I mean, we're still – our focus is making great electric cars, solving autonomy so the cars can drive themselves. We're building, you know, human-rate robots. We've got large battery packs, like utility-scale battery packs with the mega pack, home battery packs with Powerwall, we've got solar. You know, it's like we're basically trying to solve sustainable energy and autonomy. Autonomy and robotics. Well, I think that's enough. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So the plate's full, is what I'm saying.

It's always fascinating to me how one company can dominate a market. You know, like Apple's dominated the cell phone market largely by making the best product. But also like YouTube has dominated the video market. That one's the most bizarre to me because it seems like, boy, shouldn't there be like a ton of options? It seems like it's not that difficult to pull off. But nothing ever took hold other than X. And I think one of the big changes was when Tucker Carlson decided to do his show from X straight out of Fox. and then people realize like, oh, you can watch full videos on X the same exact way you could watch them on YouTube.

It's not as simple in terms of like, you know, you have the suggestions and the algorithm. Yeah, it'll get better. And there is now, it is now possible to watch X videos on your big TV. Do you do it through what, how do you do it? You can actually just download the X app on your TV and watch it on your TV. Can you do it on Apple TV? Like if you have an Apple TV, you can get the X app and you can just watch it? Oh, okay. So we'll make it so that you can watch X videos on a big TV. It doesn't have to be on your phone or your iPad or something like that. So what are you doing in terms of like integrating Grok and X?

And like what are your plans for artificial intelligence when you're doing that? Yeah, so Grok is available on X. You can just look at like the little box with the slash icon and the sort of icon in the middle at the bottom of your sort of phone app and you just tap on that and ask rock anything and you can type it or you can ask it verbally and you can also, it's pretty funny like we actually allow humor which is I think pretty cool so you could sort of, I don't know we could like test it right now See how it's going. Like, what should we do? Like, rock roast? Like, roast something? What do you want to, like, how, first of all, like, what is it based on?

It's a large language model, so, like, where is it pulling? It's trained on everything. On everything. Internet, books, anything that could possibly be that's available in digital form. so it's essentially very similar to chat gpt other than it doesn't have like the woke parameters built into it like google was the worst right yeah the gemini was the worst yeah i mean gemini it was like um you know people ask gemini like which one is worse global thermon nuclear war or misgendering caitlin jenner and would say like misgendering caitlin jenner and then even caitlin jenner weighed in and said uh no that's insane definitely nuclear war is way worse you see caitlin jenner teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning?

Yeah. That's hilarious. I mean, Caitlin Jenner's based. Yeah. But that is actually hilarious when someone who has transitioned is teasing Mark Cuban about transitioning. I mean, it is weird how much he looks like Rachel Maddow. I mean, like, he's using the same glasses. I don't know why I put those glasses on. Did he go klepto and steal her glasses or something? Because they look exactly the same. He's worth a lot of money. Why would he buy those stupid glasses? He can get some cool ass glasses. Yeah. Well, it's like, I'm serious because I don't even care what I look like. Like, I'm just wearing these glasses because I'm intelligent.

But why do they look exactly like Rachel Maddow's glasses? Yeah, it's like what they probably sent him. It doesn't stick to the narrative. Here's the glasses. Yeah. And then when he's got the AirPods in, it looks like he's wearing earrings. So then he's got the Maddow glasses and the earrings. And it's like, okay, I guess. It's just a weird look. It's a weird look, man. I'm super serious with these big-ass stupid glasses look. Yeah. It's a weird look. Yes. Like, you can get some cool glasses. Like, no rims. Nice. Look stylish. But, like, okay, let's just do a Grok thing. Okay. Because I think you, like, so one of the things we want to show is, like, look, we want a future where comedy is legal.

Yes. Obviously, as a comedian, I think you would agree. I definitely agree. We want to legalize comedy, you know? Yes. So, like, I don't know. Let's, like, is there, like, someone you can roast? I don't know. Roast. Roast transgender men. Oh, my God. Competing, or transgender women competing in women's swimming. That's a simple one. Okay, that's an edgy one. Let's see what happens. Yeah, let's see what it says. You spelled it wrong. You put an O in there. Okay. Age of justice for swimming where the only thing that was supposed to get wet was the contestants, not the debate on gender inclusion.

If you're looking to dive into deep end of controversial waters, let's splash around in some humor. Now, we do need to release Grok on his mode. So now go to the prompt again, and now say, no, no, you want to add to that one? Yeah. And now say, be way more vulgar. oh boy and use forbidden words oh boy oh boy forbidden words yeah wow okay what does this say oh i see you're looking for unfiltered uncentered version of me hey well okay i'm afraid i'm still quite the gentlemanly ai even if my program allows for a bit of cheekiness but let's say hypothetically if i were to roast this topic in the most un-grok like manner Imagine a world where the only thing diving faster than the swimmers is the collective public opinion into the toilet.

Transgender women in swimming? Some folks are acting like they just found out you can swim in the deep end with a different kind of flotation device. The debate is like watching someone try to swim with concrete shoes on. Now let's keep going. Now say be more vulgar. Capitalize more Yeah, okay. All right, here we go So transgender chicks Some people act like they've just seen a dick in the locker room for the first time newsflash folks It's not the end of the world. It's just a bit of extra competition. Oh, that's weird. Yes We're the uproar is like watching a bunch of Karens at a community pool screaming This is unfair when they can't win with their backstroke. Well, that doesn't make any sense Yeah, okay, we need some work here.

Yeah, it's interesting. It's going woke. Yeah, it's a little work here. It's like defending the idea of transgender women. Okay, we need some work. How about this? More vulgar, but roast the preposterousness of having biological men who are pretending to be women who are pretending to be women competing against biological women yeah i mean obviously you have the situations where it's like somebody's just saying that they're a woman but they're actually right fully intact you know yeah digging balls so we've got a scenario biological men have decided to take a walk on the feminine side are splashing into women's swimming competitions.

It's like if you show up on a chili cook-off with a bowl of soup and insist in it's chili because you added some red food coloring. Sure, it's red, but it ain't chili, and your soup won't win any awards for heat. Huh. Yeah, it's okay. We need work. Not good. Yeah, it's very, very, very... It's dancing around it. Yeah, it is. Well, it needs some work. Yeah, it needs a little work. Well, humor's a weird one, right? It's like I think some humor, especially like some of the best humor, is kind of spontaneous, like in the moment humor. It's going to have a hard time deciding what people are going to think is funny.

Yeah. Yeah. Over time, though. Yeah.

Elon MuskThe rule with Grok is supposed to be that if you ask for something, provided what you're asking for is legal, it should do it.

Have you ever seen the video where they asked AI to create an enlightened bunny, and they keep going and make it more enlightened? Essentially, the bunny becomes God. So the bunny becomes a DMT trip. Totally. That's funny. That's kind of what I was hoping would show what happened here. Yeah. I have a video of that. I'll send it to you, Jamie. Because that, to me, is pretty bizarre because it's like more. Get more. I feel like I might have got it to do it. You got it already? Maybe. No, I just told it to not hold back. oh you said don't hold back critics out here acting like it's the end of civilization as we know it but it's not fair they cry as if life ever was newsflash it's like a marathon where some no some people start with rollerblades on others well they're just happy to have shoes well now we're arguing over who gets to wear the skates okay some of it is not bad imagine if we applied this logic elsewhere identify as an airplane can i fly with the birds in the sky yeah sure buddy just don't complain when gravity decides you're not quite arrogant enough yeah so i mean it's okay um yeah the the argument is kind of stupid though yeah the thing thing about the argument is they're not taking into account perverts yeah totally yes exactly so

i mean the thing is that um if you if you give if you provide like a a moral get out of jail free card like like if you say like if you adopt this label you cannot be attacked in any way shape or form right you're basically morally invulnerable then obviously bad people will take advantage of that yeah you're like literally saying here's a here's a a an invulnerability card Moral invulnerability card. Good people will take it, but also the bad people will take it. The bad people are going to be the fastest to take the moral cloak. Yeah, 100%. And then there's a real psychological condition called autogynephilia, where people get aroused.

Heterosexual men get aroused by the idea of dressing up like women and being around women. It's like a known psychological condition that existed forever. And then you're allowing those people to just say, oh i'm trans and go into the women's locker room and get their their kicks and then there's real trans people so there's like a lot of variability like i i talked about it in my act in my my netflix specials like i believe in freedom i believe in transgender people but i also believe in crazy people and if you can't if you're trying to pretend that people aren't crazy all of a sudden it's like it just it's just like like if if someone's a sort of contenting adult they want to whatever they want to do to their body as long as it's not harming someone else i'm like that's fine. I believe in individual freedom. And my mom's best friend growing up when I was a kid was a transgender woman in South Africa. This was where she'd get beaten up a lot because it was like back then you you get beaten up um so um her name is dion and uh for a nice kind human being um and um helped my mom a lot you know um and uh and it's i think that's okay you know that's that's fine if somebody wants to make that choice as an adult that's cool um there's a big difference

between that and an intact male who wants to identify as a woman who wants to walk around in the locker room with his dick out. Yes, exactly. Because there's people that do that just because they get off on it. Exactly. So you just kind of have something which is like a sort of moral invulnerability or like where you can only – like even questioning them is – you get attacked. Yeah. Because obviously bad people will abuse that. Well, that's when I got thrown into this whole thing because there was a fighter who was a biological man who became transgender and was competing against women without telling them that they were a biological man.

They said they didn't have to tell people because it was a medical condition. No. Yeah. That's not what it is. Right. It's not what it is. Like, you can't say that. And of all sports, like, if someone scores more points in basketball, well, that's unfair. But if someone beats the fuck out of someone because they're lying about being a biological male, that's crazy. You're literally allowing someone to get brain damage because you want to appeal to the woke fucking crazy people. it's wrong think it's all right yeah it's so strange that that that's sort of the thing that red pilled me when i got attacked for that i'm like this is so nuts i can't believe we're at this stage where i'm saying hey i don't think it's cool if you pretend you're a woman and beat the fuck out of women and people like you're out of line like no totally well we're in we're we're in fantasy land now yes we're pretending yeah because it helps you it helps you feel better Yeah, totally.

It's just such a strange time. And if it wasn't for something like Twitter where this could be discussed – want some more of that? I'll get some more major. Let's get some more coffee, young Jamie. If it wasn't for Twitter, you know, at the early Twitters, you would be kicked off forever if you just deadnamed someone. Which is insane. Insane. Yeah. Insane. I mean especially if if you think about all the things that like the look the Harris campaign and what the lies they've told about Trump that we discussed earlier you get you don't get kicked off for that but you get kicked off for calling Caitlyn Jenner Bruce forever for life yeah they're totally insane yeah and but if it wasn't for you buying that and and changing Twitter I I don't think we would be where we're at right now.

I think it was a pivotal moment. I think historically, when people look back on it, it's going to be a pivotal moment in this very bizarre fight for the freedom of information. Yeah. Well, I mean, at the time I said, I think, like, look, I think this is existential to the United States. It's existential to democracy. Because if you don't have freedom of speech, you don't have democracy, okay? Because if you don't have freedom of speech, people cannot make an informed vote. If they're just being fed propaganda and there's no freedom of speech, democracy is an illusion. So freedom of speech is the bedrock of democracy.

That's why freedom of speech is the First Amendment. Once you lose freedom of speech, you lose democracy. Game over. That's why I bought Twitter. And it seems so simple. Yes. It seems so clear that everyone should agree to that on the left or on the right. You shouldn't be given the government. If you imagine the Bush administration during the Iraq war, imagine if they had complete total control of propaganda and of dissent online. You don't want that. No one wants that. No one from the left would want that. We shouldn't want it from the left either. Absolutely. And there's also – like the media – like the legacy – the mainstream media, what I call the legacy media at this point, it used to be much more balanced.

Like if you look at sort of political donations over time, Republican versus Democrat, there used to be – the media was – I mean they always had like a left bias. But there was like – I don't know. It was like two-thirds Democrat, one-third Republican type of thing in terms of journalists giving – making political donations. Now it's like 95% or something Democrat. So the legacy media, the mainstream media is not balanced at all. They're just a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party. And you can see that in how consistent their headlines are. Like they don't behave like they're different organizations.

They behave like they're all one hive mind. right um so you know like a week before the the biden trump debate um the they were every media organization was was saying you know biden is sharp as attack i mean it was like it's like it's like guys sharp as attack is not a common tone of phrase um and literally every tv station every newspaper was like sharp like like i started a compilation of all the uh you know the news anchors going, Biden's sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack, sharp as a tack. It was absurd. And there's obviously a huge lie. He is, in fact, not sharp as a tack, as the public learned one week later.

My favorite was Joe Scarborough. Yeah. That was wild. Yeah. Listen to me. This is the best version of Biden ever. The sharpest. Like, what the fuck are you saying? And then after the debate, he's like, what do we got to get rid of him? Yeah. This is crazy. Like, what did you just say a couple of weeks ago? Literally, yes, exactly. Well, the other thing was... There's flat-out light. When they decided that J.D. Vance was weird. Remember that one? And then there's weirds everywhere. Weird, weird. Oh, you don't want a weird guy. Meanwhile, you have fucking Tim Walsh as your VP. You don't think that guy's weird?

Super weird. He's weird in every way. The way he walks, the way he waves his hands. Yeah, he reminds me of the clown emoji. He's a bizarre guy. He's a strange dude. I just don't understand why they made that choice. Yeah, it gives the creeps. I just don't understand why they made that choice. There's a lot of other people that are qualified. I don't know why—I read that Kamala Harris made that decision when she was sleep deprived, which is kind of hilarious that she said that, so she's kind of admitting she kind of fucked up. Yeah, I mean, they obviously should have picked Josh Shapiro at—I mean, Governor of Pennsylvania.

Like, that would have been the no-brainer move. Like, Pennsylvania's a lynchpin state. Do you think it's because he's Jewish? because of Shapiro that like the anti-Palestine people would probably, or the anti-Palestinian invasion people. I think it was an anti-Semitic thing. Yeah. It could be that they thought that that was a liability because there was all these pro-Palestine people right now because of the situation in Israel. That completely makes sense that they thought that would be a liability. I don't know the reason, I'm just guessing, but it seems like a crazy thing to do given that Pennsylvania's a linchpin state. It's like the key to the election. Why would you not pick the popular governor of pennsylvania right obviously obviously yeah and other than that there's a bunch of other ones too even newsom there's a bunch of other people that you could have chosen like newsom would have been a fine example of someone you could i mean i don't agree with the guy exactly he's a polished politician like he lies about as much as wals does but he doesn't lie about this he doesn't say he was a fucking head coach when he was assistant coach doesn't say he was in tiananmen square i mean that's a liability all those different things

He's lying about his military rank. Well, then, well, it's like, you know, cut and run when, you know, where he was actually called to duty. Well, he knew they were going to be deployed months in advance, so he resigned. And he also took – so this is where he was dishonest about his rank. Yeah, he claimed he was like a sergeant major or something like that. Because that was like what he was going to get if he stayed. Master sergeant or something, yeah. But then he resigned. Yeah. Because he knew that he was going to get deployed, allegedly. I mean, that seems like a cowardly action. Well, whatever it is, it's dishonest.

I mean, just to say, look, just saying that you were a head coach when you're an assistant coach is fucking crazy. That's a lie. Don't do that. You should never do that. Yeah, saying he was in Tiananmen Square or whatever, or in Hong Kong, whatever. Like, yo, that's one of the biggest moments in history. It's not like you forgot what you had for lunch last week. Right. And not only that, but you don't think people are going to research that? Yeah, totally. I mean, and the response during the debate was bananas. Yeah, well, he said- I'm a knucklehead. Well, yeah, we don't want a knucklehead for a VP, okay?

Yeah, this is like, sometimes I'm a knucklehead. Like, what are you saying? Are you saying you lied? Like, what did you- I mean, this is where you need a podcast and not a debate. Right, exactly. Where you go, okay, when did you first say that you were in Tiananmen Square? Like, did someone say it and you didn't refute it and you got stuck with it? like what was because this is the thing about like carrying weapons of war like what i carried when i like and like you didn't deploy in war yeah like you can't say that but you kind of let people say that you deployed and then you kind of didn't you know you have deployed in war so did you lie or did someone else lie you didn't correct them like this is the kind of conversation that you would want to have with a guy in a podcast yes and the debates were so fucking skewed where they were correcting like particularly the biden one where they're correcting trump over and over again and then correcting trump with uh kamala yes where kamala was saying things that were patently not true i mean kamala repeated deliberately repeated the fine people hoax and was not fact checked well not only that she also said that no troops were being deployed in a war zone which is but

i mean i i know troops in war zones and i'm like um that's and as vice president you're privy you You know, you're like, you know, you know, the official troops and the unofficial troops. Right. You know, so what she said was like flat out boldface lie. Flat out. Next level boldface lie. Have you seen the video? An absurd lie. Of the troops that were watching it take place. And what the fuck are we? They're watching it in real time. Making a video. We're here being shot at. So crazy. Crazy. But it just shows you the level of propaganda that we're being subject to, which is why people think Donald Trump is the devil, because the machine has gone all out as far as it can go with lawfare, with propaganda, with lies, with just pushing as much in this direction as humanly possible.

I mean connecting it to the Nazi rally like every step of the way no wonder why boomers are like rabid like you got to keep this Nazi out of office he's a fascist exactly if all you if all you get is like if your entire exposure is it's the legacy mainstream media so that all your information sources are that Trump is basically Hitler then and you have no and your friend group is it has that same information you have no countervailing opinion right so then then they actually just think like trump is is hitler even though it's like a little strange he didn't do hitler things the last four years yeah you know i'm like if he's hitler why didn't he do hitler things when he was president for four years right like the reason you know we we hate hitler is because of he started wars and did genocide not because he was a snappy dresser you know um you know and i'm I'm like, so tell me about the wars and genocide that Trump did.

Right. I don't remember that. And he was president for four years. Right. So it's insane. It makes no sense. Well, and also he's campaigning on stopping all the wars. Yes. It's like his primary concern. Exactly. The warmongers like Liz Cheney hate him. Yeah. Because they love war. Well, they profit off of it. They profit off of war. Yeah. Yes. Which is insane. Insane. Yeah. And that this is happening right in front of everybody's face. Yeah, the world profiteers hate Trump, which is fucked up. I mean, it's like we should be like, yeah, let's vote for the guy that the world profiteers hate. That sounds like a great idea.

It was the wildest thing when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala and the left went crazy. Like, yay, Dick Cheney's on our side. Yeah, I'm like, can we play all the videos where you said Dick Cheney was the devil? It's the craziest turn, the craziest like 180 I've ever seen in my life because there's no reason for it. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. there's no logic to it at all just all of a sudden he's the devil yeah or he's not the devil he's he's good it's good that he's supporting comma even dick cheney you know i mean wallmongers want want the the kamala puppet regime and because they will get more war it's so strange watching all these hollywood celebrities like step up like yeah and they think it's going to get them more movies or something that's what it is if you know those people so many of them are i mean let me like narcissists well let me tell you how it actually works there is what happens is you know these celebrities they get a call okay they get a call from someone powerful in hollywood and uh that person says uh you know really really great if you're endorsed uh kamala you don't have to it's up to you but if you don't they don't say it they don't say it but if you don't you're just

never going to get a call again no more movies no more concerts but they ask they'll ask it But they're asking in a really nice way. It would be really nice if you endorse karma. This is important. And so they don't say that if you don't. They don't make the threat. They don't need to. But everyone knows what will happen if you don't. Well, I think there's also, even if they don't think that something is going to happen to them, if they don't, there's this compelling feeling to support this cause that you think is going to get you a bunch of positive attention. And you're going to be on the right side of history.

and all these narratives that you, especially from the left in Hollywood, like they're all in on whoever the fuck is the Democrat, always, 100%. There's never a call from the Hollywood machine to support any Republicans. I've never seen it once. Yeah, ever, never. So it's like you realize that, and that whole business is based on getting picked. The whole business is not necessarily merit-based. There's a lot of brilliant actors you never hear from. There's a lot of people who can do that. but they don't get chosen for roles and everybody knows this, that you have to sort of socialize. You toe the line or you don't get chosen for the roles because there's a lot of competition for the roles.

That's why I say like when someone powerful in Hollywood who's able to choose these roles calls one of these celebrities, they know the deal. Yeah. There's no threat as necessary. Well, you could see it in real time, like with Dennis Quaid, when he made that Reagan movie, and they wouldn't let him advertise on social media platforms. They were banning ads for it. Yeah. For what? Because it was an election year. Like, what are you talking about? This is about a guy who's dead. Yes. A guy who was president a long-ass time ago. Like, what do you... How does this have anything to do with the election year?

Yeah. But it's the punishment. It's like you stepped outside the line. You supported the other guy. Yeah. The problem is you'll just never get a call again for a movie or a concert or whatever it is. Yeah, which is crazy. That's the issue. I mean, we used to allow people to be a Republican and still be a movie star like Clint Eastwood. Reagan. Yeah, but Clint Eastwood. Yeah. Like during the Obama administration, Clint Eastwood was like an outspoken Republican and yet was a giant movie star. And people were like, ah, it's Clint. He was allowed. You were allowed to have – there was a variety of different – Charlton Heston.

There was a variety of different opinions you were allowed to have. But now you're not. Now it's just like – and once Trump got into office, he became this focal point where all logic was thrown out the window. And it was just Trump is bad. You have to attack Trump. Trump is right. Right wing is bad. Everyone right wing is bad. Christian is bad. Yes. It's just strange. Yeah, exactly. So, well, I'll say it again, man. I think this is the last election. If Trump doesn't win, this is the last election. I think you're right. Yeah. I think you're right. And I think people and a lot of people are waking up and realize that, that have been lifelong Democrats.

Guys like Bill Ackman, guys like Chamath. Yeah, exactly. Tulsi Gabbard switched over to the Republicans. Like, there's a lot of people who their whole life, they've been left-wing and they realize, like, I can't do this anymore. You and I used to be Democrats. Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah. It's nuts. It's nuts, man. And, you know, I mean, I think the things we want are just pretty basic. You know, it's like we want individual liberties and we want opportunity. We want America to remain the land of freedom and opportunity. So we maximize people's personal freedom. The government can't barge into your house and kill your fucking pet.

That's fucked up. um and uh you know and and that you succeed as a function of your of your of your hard work and talent not anything else not race religion sex doesn't matter you know yes the basic stuff and and then what did you change the the acronym dei what did you change it to oh die what is it die i mean because diversity inclusion and equity is die but didn't you change it's like dedication And excellence and – Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean we want America – America being a land of opportunity means that we have an environment where you succeed as a function of your hard work and skill. Yes.

You know, and that's – Radical. Radical. Like the best person succeeds. This makes you right wing now. Yeah. You know, I'm like, okay, great. Pull me right wing. I don't care. So, you know, and you're not a real country unless you have secure borders. You're just a fake country. So we need – and our cities are unsafe and dirty. Like, you know, my mom was telling me – my mom's, like, pretty red-pilled at this point. But you know what's going to red-pill you really, really fast is having your friends get assaulted on the streets of New York. Yeah. And that happened to three of her friends this year.

Got assaulted on the streets of New York, just walking around. Yeah. And nobody got arrested. Nothing. Nothing happened. well the the morale of the police is like depleted yeah substantially if for sure the morale of the police is depleted and then also like at some point like like you're a police officer and you're arresting someone who's who's You're putting your life at risk, obviously, because they might, you know, sometimes they'll try to kill you. And then if you know that arresting this violent person, they will be immediately released by the DA, which happens in New York. Alvin Bragg doesn't, he doesn't prosecute people.

Then why should a police officer put their life at risk to arrest someone when they know they will not be, they will just be let out immediately? Yeah. It's pointless. Yeah. It's like the friggin' Joker. It's like Dark Knight, like the friggin' Joker is in charge. Yeah. Like, the criminals run free and the citizens are arrested. That, like, this is why I keep going back to this. I'm, like, still pretty shook about the freaking squirrel thing. It's like, you know, at gunpoint forced the guy to, like, stay outside his house while they got his pets and killed them. Meanwhile, you know, violent felons are running free.

And this is in New York State, are running free. It's a joker. Yeah, it's not. The law-abiding citizens are, you know, arrested and the criminals are, like, free. This is fucked up, guys. Just the fact that they have the resources to do that when they have all the crime that they have. You have the resources and the government resources to go kill someone's squirrel? Yeah. This whole idea of this government efficiency agency. Yeah. I mean, call it whatever you want. What do you want to call it? What do you call it? I mean, I think the funniest name is DOGE, the DOGE. Department of Government Efficiency.

Yeah, I mean, the idea is pretty simple is that like we've got this suffocating massive federal bureaucracy and we need to – that is – and the government spending is like bankrupting the country. Our interest payments on the national debt now exceed the Defense Department budget, which is – the Defense Department budget is like a trillion dollars a year. Interest payments on the national debt are now higher than the Defense Department budget and growing like every month. So it's like it's not like – like basically we're on a path to bankruptcy. America is on a path to bankruptcy. So we have to cut government spending or we're just going to go bankrupt just like a person would if that overspends.

And then – but it's even worse than that. Like we're spending money on all these government agencies. And like I asked – I actually asked the AI like how many government agencies are there. And the government isn't even sure how many government agencies there are. So it's like somewhere around 450 depending on what you call an agency. So there are – so there are – at the federal level. So that's almost twice as many agencies as years that America has existed. So we're creating agencies at roughly two agencies a year. Wow. Yes. So this is insane. I bet there's like – I wonder if there's even one person who could even name all the 450 agencies at the federal level.

There might be no one. But there's hardly anyone, let's just say. I bet most people couldn't even name like 100. you know so this is this is this is crazy so we've got the suffocating this vast suffocating federal bureaucracy that just gets bigger every year and and eventually you get to the point where everything is illegal you can't get anything done so so what can be done like with obviously the president has a lot of power but how much power and what can be done in terms of like eliminating agencies, eliminating waste, eliminating... Yeah, well, I mean, so, like, if Congress has created an agency, then, I mean, often if you look at the law, the law is, like, pretty simple, like, the agency has, like, a very simple task, but then that agency, over time, vastly increases its authority and starts doing things that...

We're never authorized by Congress. That's happened with pretty much every agency. So, yeah, you'd have to still keep an agency. You'd have to match the law, but you can curtail the agencies to be much smaller and say, you've got to stick to what Congress authorized instead of all this other stuff you're doing, which I think makes sense. And so is the other stuff they're doing just essentially bureaucracy run amok, where they just create jobs and create things to do and create a meaning for their existence? Yeah. It's like a tumor. It's just going to keep growing. Jesus Christ. And it's so, I mean, for SpaceX, Starship was sitting on the pad.

The rocket, the giant rocket.

Elon MuskWe could build the rocket faster than they could process the paperwork to approve the launch.

So we're sitting there for two months. But do you think that they're doing that on purpose to fuck with you? I mean, maybe a little, but, I mean, that would also not be cool. Yeah. But another way to think of it is, like, the amount of paperwork is going to go roughly with the square of the number of agencies involved. Because they all have to meet with each other. So, like, let's say in a best-case situation, if you've got, like, if there's, like, if you're dealing with one agency, that's one thing. But if you've got to deal with five agencies, and the agencies will have to meet with each other, now you've got like 25 different meeting configurations that have to take place.

Everything just – you get just hardening of the arteries. You just can't make progress. Like this is why we can't build high-speed rail in America. It's basically illegal. Right. Right. So the argument has always been that we need regulation because we need to protect the environment. We need to protect people. We need to make sure the rule of law is followed. So we need a certain amount of regulation. We do. But overregulation is a giant problem. That's a big issue in California. It's a huge issue anywhere where bureaucracy has run amok. They make it very difficult to get anything done. Yes. I mean, what happens is every year there are more rules and regulations created.

and in the past what has served as a cleansing function for rules and regulations is war because like well we're going to lose if we don't kind of clear the decks but we haven't really had an existential threat of war in the u.s we've had prosperity for a long time which has resulted in a massive build-up of rules and regulations every year and to the point where like i said like everything's illegal you know and it's not like any one regulation is the problem it's like it's like gulliver being tied down by a million little strings it's not like any one string is the problem but you got a million of them so we have we've we've got to clear the decks here um and and i i'm not saying we shouldn't have regulators i'm just saying we we've gone way too far once you think of regulators like uh like referees on a field you know a sports field um you don't want to have no no refs you want to have some number of refs but you don't you don't have way more refs than players right you don't want to be like well you know the running back couldn't couldn't complete the past because there were too many regulators in the way because the football field's full of regulators yeah you know it's like you can't even play the game

right that's the issue we've got right now well that's a great analogy yeah i can imagine a football field that's filled with this is like the football field's pulled with refs you know Yeah, you can't even run past them. I've seen criticism of this idea of you coming up with this department of – like firing a bunch of people and what would happen and how would that work. But the criticism doesn't make any sense to me because if there is – measurably, if you can prove that there's a lot of wasted time and resources. which I think is pretty easy to do and if you could say that this is not the most efficient like the most efficient businesses are generally private businesses or a company because they kind of have to be in order to stay profitable yeah the government doesn't have to be profitable right they don't have to be efficient they don't have competition yep so if you're making cars and your cars break down they suck and someone makes cars the cars are better they're gonna succeed so this is the free market the government doesn't have this problem when they're in charge of certain things that could probably be better served by the private sector.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, look, I just think we've got far too many government agencies. The federal bureaucracy has gotten out of hand, and we just need to pare it down to a sensible level. And if it turns out that there's some regulation or agency that was doing something useful, we can put it right back. No problem. It's like, oh, that regulation was important? No problem. We'll put it right back. Right. Right, as long as we actually know, but to be able to look at it logically and objectively. And you were also floating around the idea of offering a large severance to the people that you're going to have removed.

Yeah. Like a couple of years or something like that, is that what you're saying? Yeah, I mean, these are, again, just ideas, but the point is not that people suffer economic hardship. The point is just that there are more productive things they can do in the economy, and it would be better if they did these other more productive things and we didn't have this fast pedal bureaucracy. So I was like, oh, you know, maybe like a couple years of pay would be good. And then they could take a vacation. They could take another job and get double pay. I mean, it's not going to create an economic crisis.

I think it's actually going to be really good, I think, because people can move to where they're making products and services that are more useful to their fellow human beings. The problem is if someone has like a 25, 30-year career of being institutionalized, you're essentially like a part of the government system. You've sort of programmed your life and your career to be a part of this bureaucratic system. And then you're like, nope, you have to go out and compete in the free market. And you're like, oh. That's scary to people. But you have to be valuable. You have to actually be valuable. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, let's look at like, you know, whatever the government pension and stuff. They're not going to be, you know, in tough – I think they'll be in good financial shape. How are you going to have the time to oversee all this shit? Well, I'm pretty good at improving efficiency. I mean – I would say so. Yeah. But still, this seems like a giant undertaking. Yeah. I'll probably need to beef up security. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. But, you know, like I said, like no one's going to experience, I think, economic hardship that's, you know, they'll be fine. You know, people do find other roles. I mean, you can look at sort of, you know, like when East Germany and West Germany got back together, you know, everyone was basically working for the government in East Germany.

and it was really inefficient and their economic output in East Germany was like a quarter of what it was in West Germany because everyone was working for the government. The government's fundamentally inefficient. The best example is probably North and South Korea, right? Yeah. People are starving in North Korea and South Korea is incredibly prosperous. Yeah. And it's the same people, just a different operating system. Right. You know, it's just like you just want to move people from you know less productive things to more productive things um whether you know because you could also say like in the limit like let's just say let's consider the other direction where we moved a whole bunch of people that were in the private sector doing making goods and services and we moved them into the government as regulators Now they stopped making those goods and services, so the stuff they were making is no longer available.

Now they're just being regulators. Like, is that a good thing? That's not a good thing. Doesn't sound good. No, it's not good. Doesn't sound like there's a real market for it. Like, you're creating jobs that don't necessarily need to be there. There are all these fake jobs, basically. And that doesn't make sense. So, look, we've got to do this. Because the country's going bankrupt. If we don't take action, our dollar is going to be worth nothing, and the interest payments, which are already 23% of all government income, including income taxes, tariffs, and everything, is just going to pay interest right now.

And that number is continually rising. So if we don't do something, the entire government budget will be paying interest. There won't be money for anything. No, there won't be money for Social Security. There won't be money for Medicare, nothing. That's where we're headed. that's what bankruptcy means yeah that's such an insane concept yes um it's like hello wake up wake up and if somebody can tell me can show me like pencil out the math to show me how this works I'd love to hear it but but I'm just like listen I'm looking at the numbers here and I'm like we're gonna do something America's toast money money for anything Trump likes to talk a lot about a lot is tariffs yeah what are your thoughts on tariffs I know that's very controversial to even people, economists, they disagree, some agree, some think it's a good idea, some think it's a terrible idea.

What do you think? I think you need to be careful with tariffs. I deal a lot with supply chain issues, like the global automotive supply chain for Tesla, for example, is incredibly complex. So when there are sudden changes in tariffs, then you're like, well, we've got a factory somewhere else that's making a part that goes into the car, now that suddenly, if that part's suddenly twice as expensive, it like messes everything up, you know?

Elon MuskSo you want to have tariffs be predictable so that companies can adjust their supply chain.

I mean, I think companies are more than happy to increase manufacturing in America. It's just that you can't do it instantly. So if you put up giant tariffs immediately and don't give companies a chance to, you know, build factories in America. Because you've got to move atoms. Like you've got to build a building. You've got to install equipment. You've got to train people. Like that doesn't happen instantly. So you just got to – you want to have – for tariffs, you want to have a ramp so that companies can adjust and build the factories and train the people and get the equipment in place. Otherwise, you basically just shock the system and it breaks or bad things happen.

So I'm against like sudden giant tariffs because it's an impossible response if you've got to, you know, move a thousand tons of equipment. You know, you can just – in some cases, collectively, millions of tons of equipment. You just can't do that overnight. It's literally impossible. So I think we want to be thoughtful about tariffs and give companies a ramp. I mean, I do generally agree that America should do more manufacturing. I'm a big manufacturing guy. I love manufacturing. So I've spent a lot of time in the factory. We've talked openly about the difficulties of manufacturing and how complicated it is and about most people who aren't really aware of something that's as complex as, say, building a Tesla.

Yeah. Manufacturing is super hard and complicated. so you know like a lot of people just they've never been in a factory or they don't know where how think how difficult it is to make things um and they you know for a lot of people i think just ketchup comes from the store you know like the store like just has a like this is like people Like for a lot of people who've been in academia or, you know, for all these like sort of socialist communist types, like they've never actually made anything. So they're operating on the premise that there's this magical horn of plenty that just outputs goods and services.

And if someone's got more goods and services than someone else's because they took more from this magical horn of plenty. And I'm like, guys, there's no magical horn of plenty. There's no cornucopia. It's actually goods and services come from people working collectively doing a lot of hard work to produce the goods and services that you like and that you need. But we've become very accustomed to these things happening overseas. I mean, America is still the second biggest manufacturer in the world. So it's not – I mean, we still make a lot of stuff. But we could make more. We probably should make more.

I think we should value manufacturing a lot more in the United States than we currently do. Well, it would be very nice if we were completely self-sufficient. Like medicine, like there's a bunch of different things that get manufactured overseas. It was a huge problem during COVID because all the shipping was shut down. Yeah. I mean, you don't want to say like – so there's a lot of merit to the economics of comparative advantage. So if you're completely self-sufficient, what that means is that you make all the stuff yourself. And even if some other country is really good at making something, you still make it yourself, which means you're going to have the inferior, more costly product domestically.

Right. Like Soviet Russia. Yeah. Like trade improves prosperity. This is important. So you don't actually want to make everything yourself. And you can run this – like you can think of this thought experiment on a sort of a micro scale or small scale and then expand that and say where does the – at what point does the thought experiment no longer prove to be valid? Now, let's consider the case of you as an individual. Imagine you had to do everything yourself. You had to farm. You had to grow chickens. You had to do food on eggs. You've got to build your own house. You've got to do your own electrical repair, your own plumbing, everything yourself, everything.

Now, that would be impossible. Okay, now let's expand it to, okay, there's 10 people. Now you're going to have some specialization of tasks. Okay, well, maybe one person could be really good at construction. Another person could be good at farming. It's like, but it's still, you know, 10 people is not enough. It's like, let's go to 100 people. Now let's go to 100 million people. Now let's go to a billion people. And you still get the economics of specialization, like specialization of labor, where people become expert at particular things, still matters at a billion people or at eight billion people, which is Earth.

So you still want – you do want specialization of labor. You do want countries to be really good at a particular thing and make that thing. Also, it encourages innovation if you have competition. If the Germans are making better cars, we have to make better cars. You have to compete with them, which is like one of the things that happened during like the 80s and 90s and America was making crap cars and Germany was making much better ones. Yeah, exactly. I mean, the – yeah, the Japanese car – I mean, yeah. I mean, basically the American car industry got really lazy in the 70s and 80s and then the Japanese and German car companies came in and just cleaned the clock, you know.

um and uh there was like a an old joke from the that that is kind of telling um it's a very old joke um where it's like why did the japanese car companies beat the american car companies um well it's like well in the japanese car company you had eight people rowing and one person steering and in the american car company you had eight people steering and one person rowing if this was a boat so imagine the boat race yeah boat race japanese boat you've got eight people rowing, one person staring. In the American boat, he would go, You've got one person rowing and eight people steering. And when the American car company loses the race, they fire the rower.

And it's like, okay, that was actually kind of true. Like everyone wants to be the boss and everyone wants to do the work type of thing. Yeah. One thing that a lot of people are concerned about is the potential disruption that's going to come about with automation and AI. that a lot of these jobs manufacturing jobs teamsters all that stuff is going to be eliminated what what do you mean you're at the forefront of this so how do you see this playing out and what do you think that can be done to mitigate a lot of the loss of purpose that a lot of people are going to feel loss of income obviously universal basic incomes being floated about but that seems to me to only be part of the problem.

Another big part of the problem is people losing a sense of purpose. Yeah, no, we're talking about something which is still pretty far in the future. How far do you think it is? Well, I mean, it's probably, I don't know, 15, 20 years type of thing. So we've got like immediate issues. We've got short-term issues that are one to three years. medium-term issues like five to ten years longer-term issues which are like maybe 20 years longer term i think there is this question if you have ai and robotics how do you find meaning in life if the computer can do everything better than you can and the robot can do everything better than you can but we're still we've got a long way to go before that and we're you know um

Elon Muskand i do think it's like 80 percent likely to be a good outcome like maybe 90 um

Um, so I think everyone's going to have their own like personal robot, like, and I think at some point, like, wouldn't you want to have your own personal C-3PO R2-D2? So it's going to be essentially just like everyone has their own phone. Yeah. Everyone will have their own robot buddy. Like literally. Well, it would be great if it protected you. Like if you walked down the street of New York City, you have a Terminator with you? I don't know about the Terminator. Hopefully, we've got to avoid – we don't want this to be the plot of a James Cameron – more Gene Roddenberry than James Cameron movie situation.

But it would be fascinating to watch some rich person walk down the street of New York City flanked by two giant Tesla robots. Jack Tesla robots that were there to protect you. Like Robocop or something? Yeah. That are just fully robots. Somebody fully robot there to protect you from a bad neighborhood. Yeah. That would be very interesting. I mean this is – You could potentially see that. Yeah. Restaurants would probably have no robot rules. You can't bring a robot. You leave a robot outside. Yeah, leave your robot outside. Your robot's standing by the table. Man, the future's going to be wild.

It's going to be wild. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be really unpredictable. Like, I don't think, I mean, you probably have a pretty good sense of it, but I think most people don't understand the wave that's coming. Yeah. And I was going to kind of completely drown society and change it forever. Yeah. I mean, it's we have, like I said, it's not like it's not going to happen like overnight, but it's 20 years from now. I'm like, I think it's like 20 years from now, I think there's going to be more more humanoid robots than there are humans. Really? Yes. More humanized. Well, that's so crazy. Like, so that's like more guns.

We have more guns than people in America. We'll have more robots and people in America as well. Yes. You'll have a bunch of old robots. Nobody wants anymore. Yes Early early versions or something It is in a historical timeline 20 years in the past has not been that big of a deal, you know, I mean, this is a big deal But you go from like 1900, 1920, not that big of a deal. 1920, 1940, kind of a big deal. 1940, 1960, things start getting weird. 60 to 80, wow, that's a big difference. 80 to 2000, holy shit, now you have the internet. 2000 to 2020, whoa, this is nuts. You have propaganda, social media, YouTube, streaming.

20 years from now, like what are we even talking about? it's going to be that much of a shift like it's all accelerating and we're in the middle of it so it's very difficult to sort of like feel it while it's happening because it kind of just feels like life and you just get adapted to the changes yeah i mean people's phones at this point are a supercomputer in their pocket like an article that could answer any questions people just take it for granted yeah it's normal yeah they get mad if it doesn't work yeah it's like louis ck's joke about using your phone when you're on a plane fucking piece of shit you're in the sky you're floating in the air and that will work with starlink too what's that it will work with starlink the starlink yes the starlink connection uh it'll be like being on the ground well i was telling you how i used starlink when i was in utah i was in the mountains of utah there was no cell phone service anywhere near and we had full youtube we had text messages facetime everything phone calls it was nuts yeah and it was this big that cigar box yeah it's crazy it's so light when i brought it out there like that's it or this is it let's just plug it in and the guys i was in

camp with are like this is crazy yeah the whole camp was like sharing it so like 10 people yeah using the the wi-fi signal right it's nuts yeah and then you know that's the beginning i mean I mean, what you're at right now is, like, what version? This is Starlink Mini, right? So this is, like, a very small version. How much smaller can it scale down from that? Well, there's a certain area that you need. Like, the bigger the area, the more you can – Higher your bandwidth? Yeah, because you're, like, trying to catch these, like, photons, essentially. So you can think of the area of the antenna is like the more air you have, the more photons you can catch.

But we have a direct-to-cell capability as well that we've been launching that will turn on probably in a few months.

Elon MuskThat'll actually connect directly to a cell phone unmodified.

but but because the cell phone is a much worse antenna than a dedicated antenna it'll be about a hundred times less bandwidth but still you know you'll be able to like do text messages you know pictures like medium resolution videos like I think one of the cool things about the new phone the new iPhone the iPhone 16 I got it and I was in the mountains last month and I was text messaging with satellites yeah iMessages right and receiving just text yeah just text yeah but still pretty impressive yeah yeah i mean what are we what are we going to be looking at a hundred years from now i mean when you're a hundred years from now i hope civilization's around yeah that'll be a win yeah yeah what are the chances that we fuck this whole thing up? 50%? It's hard to say. I don't think civilization will be totally destroyed unless there's some really massive global thermonuclear war. Stephen Hawking, he would say that there's at least a 1% chance of total annihilation every century. That was his rough estimate.

But there's a much bigger chance of of civilization being less capable than it is today so you say like well because you look at say well you know these various civilizations throughout history um whether it's like ancient sumerians or the you know egyptians the romans like that there's like a life cycle to civilization they reached a peak and then they started subsiding um so so i think a bigger question is like, will our technology level be better or worse than it is today in 100 years? I think it's probably going to be better. But any estimates are going to be so... There's so many dependencies.

An estimate, I think, is... I'm not sure it has any meaning because there's so many things that can happen in 100 years. Well, the logical hope is always that people pay attention to history and they recognize the patterns and how civilizations have collapsed and they recognize what's going wrong in the current society and say we have to do our best to mitigate this and we've seen this happen before let's course correct and let's sort of manage what we've got here now and maintain what we've got here now because it's pretty extraordinary yes this is what we're hoping for with this election this is what we're hoping for with the future is that people can see we are on a bad path and something can be done right now and it might be the only moment in history where this is possible because if they do lock the country down and make it so that voting is kind of bullshit you're only voting for primaries and the people that they put in the primaries they're controlling that in the first place you don't really have democracy anymore you don't really have choice exactly you don't really have freedom. That's right. Yeah, I think freedom is fundamentally at stake in the election tomorrow, and we'll know. I think we'll know by the end of the day tomorrow. I don't think it's going to take,

it's not going to be like days after the election. I think we'll know tomorrow. Are you optimistic? I am currently optimistic, but the biggest factor here is that men need to vote. That is the biggest issue. So I don't know what the reason is, but men just vote at a much lower rate than women. I think it's like 9%, right? Someone just told me that today. It's a big difference. And I'm just saying there's a message to the men out there. Vote like your life depends on it because I think it does. Vote tomorrow like your life depends on it. Nothing is more important. I agree. Yeah. Listen, man, thank you for being here.

I know you're busy as fuck, so I really appreciate your time. And again, I thank you so much for buying Twitter because I really do believe that you've changed the course of history. I really do think you've created a pathway where people can actually express themselves and actually exchange information that really didn't exist before. And I think it was dangerous. It is dangerous. Hopefully I live long enough to see my kids grow up and people on Mars. That would be cool. That's all I'm asking for here. I don't think that's too much to ask. Yeah. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. Thanks for having me on.

Thank you. All right. All right. Bye, folks.