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Rafael Vivas
VP of growth marketing, AppLovin
Co-founded Lion Studios, which generated over $250 million in revenue in two years, after joining AppLovin's founding team.
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Real Alpha has cut 8 moments of Rafael Vivas (VP of growth marketing, AppLovin) talking, from an interview on Founders published Nov 1, 2026.
What Rafael Vivas said
- 30:14
Lion Studios grew from a broken partnership into a $250 million business Pro pick
“Because I had so much rage in my heart that I wanted nothing but to like dominate those guys.”
at 32:12 - 20:54
AppLovin leaders stay hands-on to keep work focused Pro pick
“when you delegate and you hire all these people, you focus on a lot of things that are not important for your business, but you've hired these people.”
at 21:35 - 44:01
A falling stock price drew Vivas back to AppLovin
“And Adam, you know, he looked at me and he was like, hey, I'm hearing from people you're thinking about coming. And I was like, I'm fucking in.”
at 44:56 - 16:07
AppLovin beat better-funded ad rivals by prioritizing technology
“What Adam understood better than anybody else in the space was that the tech is the most important part.”
at 17:44 - 38:32
He left Lion once the business could succeed without him
“I started like reflecting on myself and I was like, okay, so like the business no longer needs you to succeed.”
at 39:08 - 1:00:47
Mark Rosner taught Vivas that every contract detail matters
“Mark probably did over 200 agreements himself and we only got screwed on one of them.”
at 1:03:12 - 48:11
AppLovin automates and removes work before hiring
“What things like are not important that like you're wasting time on that we just shouldn't be doing at all?”
at 50:19 - 34:00
Lion Studios found high-output game teams outside the US
“And they were so poor that they all lived in the same house and their house was also their office.”
at 35:12
- 30:14