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Steven Crowder: "80% the Next President is a Democrat"
Steven Crowder argues that the right should unite around evidence, immigration and cultural priorities, while online media must resist unsupported viral claims.
TRIGGERnometry · Konstantin Kisin & Francis Foster
- Steven Crowder is a comedian and political commentator.
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Skip the opening biography and Trump record, the woke and abortion discussion, the immigration and charity stretch, and the closing gender-roles discussion.
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Steven Crowder says Democrats have an 80% 2028 chance if Senate flips
- Crowder gives Democrats an 80% 2028 win chance if they flip the Senate and hold both chambers.
- He says his team ran numbers, but offers no method or assumptions for that probability.
- Treat it as a conditional scenario to investigate, not a forecast to budget around.
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His 80% forecast lacks a visible calculation
Crowder gives Democrats an 80% chance of winning in 2028. He attaches the figure to Democrats flipping the Senate and holding both chambers.
He says his team ran the numbers, but gives no model, source, assumptions, or sensitivity test here. But a conditional probability cannot guide planning unless its scenario and inputs are visible.
Dan Pfeiffer’s Pod Save America episode in October 2026 offers a separate signal, not confirmation. He says polling errors do not always favor Republicans. He says Trump’s current environment could produce a larger loss than in 2018.
That is a hedged loss forecast, not a probability of a Democratic win. Both numbers need separate methods and assumptions before an operator uses either as a base case.
“There's an 80% chance that Democrats would win in 2028.”
Our read
Crowder’s number is conditional, not a free-standing forecast of who wins the next election. It needs its calculation and assumptions before it can serve as a planning input.
Consistency guides Crowder’s reading of MAGA dissent
Crowder reads the MAGA split through consistency. He says prominent critics shifted positions, and sees that pattern as more telling than their current attacks.
His evidence is biographical rather than a test of each policy dispute. He points to recent converts and people he describes as former liberals or libertarians who switched back. That history may warrant scrutiny, but it cannot settle disagreements over immigration, trade, or Israel.
Crowder also says Trump’s team favored shows whose hosts supported him. He contrasts that access with his own pattern of support and criticism. But consistency cuts both ways, and a stable position can still be wrong.
He says he does not want to assign motives to dissenters. Yet the interview gives no evidence that personal reversals explain the split better than policy disagreements.
Our read
Consistency can help audiences assess political commentary, but it cannot replace examining the policies at issue. A speaker’s past is a reason to check their record, not a verdict on every position.
Primary participation offers a clearer strategic mechanism
His advice to disgruntled Republicans is to contest primaries, not withdraw. Crowder says abstention makes it easier for Democrats to win, while party members forfeit influence over nominees.
The mechanism is clearer than the 80% calculation. If voters leave candidate selection to a narrower group, their preferred alternative has less influence.
For example, Crowder criticizes people who say candidates are bad and then sit out. That is a participation argument, not proof that any particular primary choice wins a general election.
For operators, the parallel is to separate sentiment signals from the process that selects policy. Political dissatisfaction can be real without determining which candidate or policy wins.
Our read
Crowder’s warning distinguishes expressing discontent from influencing nominations. His probability does not show how much primary participation changes general-election outcomes.
His mobility case uses a lifetime estimate
Crowder’s free-market populism rests on the prospect of upward mobility. He says Americans can oppose taxes and welfare spending while still believing work or a business can improve their lives.
His numerical support is a lifetime estimate, not a current-year measure. He says he is going by rote and puts it at something like 70% reaching the top 20% of earners.
The hosts discuss a live check with Venice AI, and a host confirms it is the number. That spot-check corrects an unchecked characterization, though the exchange does not name its underlying study.
The statistic describes reaching a high earnings tier at some point, not typical income or housing access. That distinction matters because a lifetime chance may coexist with weaker prospects when voters need them.
“something like 70% of Americans will find themselves in the top 20% of earners at some point in their lifetime.”
Our read
The figure was hedged and spot-checked live by the hosts. It supports Crowder’s mobility argument, but does not by itself establish present-day opportunity or affordability.
Affordability has causes beyond Crowder’s policy diagnosis
Crowder traces housing, education, and health costs to public guarantees and regulation. He says those interventions can shift prices and burden savers, rather than simply helping consumers.
Dave Smith, a comedian and political commentator on TRIGGERnometry in October 2026, cites a median first-time buyer age of 40. He links that age to currency debasement, offering a different account of housing pressure.
Danny Moses on The Real Eisman Playbook in October 2026 says household wealth now leans more toward stocks than homes. That supports the host’s concern about asset owners pulling away, not Crowder’s policy explanation.
Chamath on Moonshots in October 2026 says new therapies could cut healthcare costs in half. That forecast points to another possible cost lever, but does not test Crowder’s account of regulation. Together, these moments show affordability has several proposed drivers.
Dave Smith · TRIGGERnometry · Oct 24Why Dave Smith links housing costs to currency debasement
Danny Moses · The Real Eisman Playbook · Oct 19Equity wealth now poses more economic risk than housing
Chamath Palihapitiya · Moonshots · Oct 21New therapies could cut healthcare costs in half
Our read
The comparisons do not disprove Crowder’s diagnosis. They show that housing, wealth, and healthcare costs have distinct proposed causes, which should not be collapsed into one explanation.
Tariffs test his stated free-market boundary
Crowder says trade changed his mind. He once favored free trade, then saw foreign barriers as taking advantage of the United States.
He says Canadian duties on American dairy, beef, steel, and lumber could reach hundreds of percent, depending on tier. That is a rough scale, not a sourced comparison of specific products or dates.
He explicitly rejects economic protectionism and frames tariffs as equalizing the playing field. But the interview supplies no source for those barriers or estimate of costs to U.S. buyers.
For example, an importer should compare foreign duties with U.S. tariff costs on inputs and finished goods. Without both sides, equalization is a rationale, not an assessed result.
Our read
Crowder’s stated framing is equalization, not protectionism. Whether tariffs achieve that depends on costs and effects he does not quantify.
His evidence standard should reach his own forecasts
Crowder describes online media moving from bypassing gatekeepers to sensational stories built for clicks. He says lies now compete better than truthful reporting, making evidence standards more necessary.
The host adds a separate problem, saying responses can amplify the false story. That matters because correction can increase reach even when it rebuts the allegation.
Crowder recommends references for factual statements and says his show supplies them. His 80% forecast has no visible calculation here, while the roughly 70% mobility estimate received a live host check. These are different evidentiary situations and should not be bundled together.
Crowder makes a living in online political commentary, so his sourcing standard applies directly to his own forecasts. An audience cannot evaluate an 80% figure from confidence alone.
Our read
Crowder’s demand for evidence is useful when applied consistently. The 80% forecast needs a visible method, while the mobility figure received a live check that the interview does not fully document.
What it means for you
- Rebuild the forecast. Write down the Senate and House conditions behind the 80% figure. Ask what model, inputs, and alternative scenarios would change the estimate.
- Separate voter signals. Keep evidence about voter priorities distinct from forecasts about turnout or control of Congress. Ask what mechanism connects one to the other.
- Model tariff exposure. Test the cost of a proposed tariff against the foreign barriers it is meant to answer. Include effects on buyers and input costs.
- Keep evidence attached. For consequential numbers in internal or public communications, keep the source, uncertainty, and correction record alongside the figure.
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- Whether Crowder or his show publishes the calculation behind the 80% figure.
- Whether the Senate and House conditions he attached to the forecast occur.
- Whether tariffs reduce the trade disadvantage Crowder describes without raising costs for buyers.
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Read it with Pro, 7 days free- 1:24Crowder traces his route into commentary
Crowder says he was born in Detroit and raised in Montreal in a Christian household. He says Norm Macdonald inspired him to try stand-up, that he was labeled right-wing at 12, and that he appeared on Fox News at 21. He describes college gigs being canceled over jokes about political subjects and says he later built his career outside mainstream entertainment.
- 7:56Crowder says Trump delivered on priorities
Crowder recalls feeling powerless during the 2020 election coverage and says he later added news wires and data analysts to his election stream. He says Trump has done more than any president in his lifetime on immigration and cultural issues, while acknowledging disappointments. On Iran, Crowder says Trump’s long-stated position means the war is not a betrayal, though he criticizes its communication and conduct.
- 18:41Crowder says MAGA needs consistency
Crowder argues that prominent critics of Trump have shifted their positions, while he has supported or criticized Trump as he sees fit. He says MAGA’s future should remain centered on national priorities, strong borders and a social component. He warns that if Democrats win both chambers, he estimates they would have an 80% chance of winning in 2028, and says Republicans could then nominate a candidate like Romney or McCain.
- 25:14Crowder says trade needs equal terms
Crowder says he changed his view on trade after concluding that foreign tariffs disadvantaged U.S. industries; he favors equalizing terms rather than rejecting trade. He calls immigration a defining issue and argues that cultural disputes, including compelled language, shape society rather than distract from it. He presents his experience with demonetization and a YouTube policy he says became known as the Crowder rule as examples of cultural pressure.
- 30:47Crowder warns woke ideas will repackage
Crowder compares the left’s response to criticism to a child finding a less obvious way around a rule. He argues that activists have changed how they frame consent after backlash to MeToo, and says the same ideas are being sold in new terms. He also argues that Democrats will soften their language on trans issues and abortion without abandoning the underlying positions he opposes.
- 41:25Crowder favors market-based populism
Crowder argues that U.S. populism can make a free-market case because he sees more class mobility and opportunity there than in many other countries. He cites an estimate that 70% of Americans will reach the top 20% of earners at some point in their lives. He contrasts that promise with socialism and says COVID-era restrictions transferred wealth toward large companies.
- 49:55Crowder blames policy for high costs
Francis Foster argues that inflation and asset appreciation have widened the gap between asset owners and others. Crowder replies that housing, higher education and health care have been heavily subsidized or regulated, and says those policies helped drive costs. He argues that market competition, rather than more government intervention, could make homes, insurance and education more affordable.
- 56:20Crowder favors voluntary charity
Crowder contrasts voluntary giving with government redistribution and argues that religious and conservative people give more to charity. He distinguishes people who need occasional help from those he describes as unwilling to work. He also argues that a large welfare state and open borders cannot coexist, because he says new arrivals can draw on public systems.
- 1:06:18Crowder says opponents misread motives
Crowder recounts that a Brazilian judge froze a Bolsonaro family member’s passport after remarks by his brother on Crowder’s show, and says prominent left-wing figures did not condemn the action. He argues that left-leaning speakers more readily assign evil motives to conservatives, while people on the right can better restate left-wing arguments. Crowder says millennials who became conservative had to defend those views, while liberal assumptions were accepted by default.
- 1:15:24Crowder demands evidence for conspiracies
Crowder criticizes right-wing commentators who circulate claims about Charlie Kirk’s killing, Churchill, Macron and Israel’s role in Venezuela. He says the claims he discusses lack evidence and argues that audiences should apply the same test to every political side. He says some conspiracy content draws on true-crime audiences rather than representing the typical Trump voter.
- 1:24:21Crowder says lies now outdraw truth
Crowder says independent online media first gained traction by challenging legacy outlets, but now sensational falsehoods can attract more attention than accurate reporting. He advises audiences to move on from creators who do not provide references for factual claims. He says his show provides references and a way to flag corrections, and worries that short-form feeds encourage people to treat political claims as entertainment.
- 1:34:28Crowder warns clip culture harms debate
Crowder says cross-spectrum conversations have value, but argues that some podcasts now plan questions to generate viral clips. He demonstrates how a speaker can use insinuations to create a misleading clip without providing evidence. He says online media could continue to displace legacy outlets or become a click-driven space he describes as dead internet.
- 1:41:26Crowder rejects blank checks for Israel
Crowder says Israel has a right to exist but argues that the United States should not guarantee it funding or be tied to it as a matter of policy. He supports cooperation where the countries’ interests overlap and says their interests can also diverge. He calls for transparency about political funding and says AIPAC should register under FARA.
- 1:45:53Crowder says feminism leaves women unhappy
Crowder argues that feminism has weakened gender norms and left young women with few positive media role models. He criticizes Call Her Daddy for promoting casual sex and delaying marriage and family, and says its host does not live by that advice. Crowder cites ratings and happiness data that he says show women have more unrealistic expectations and are becoming less happy, and argues that women need to address the gap in dating and family life.
Published Nov 4, 2026.
Transcript · 1 h 50 m read
TRIGGERnometry, hosted by Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster, with Steven Crowder.
Transcribed by machine (Whisper) from the episode’s audio, so a word may be off here and there.
Clip culture has ruined everything. People are looking for a clip. Blacks, trans and kids, you guys got anything else? That will do. Mexicans. What people would view as the radical right-wing view is more reasonable than the moderate left view. I am not going to disagree with any other group more consistently than the left, including, by the way, billionaires, elites, Jews, accountants. Name me one person on that platform. One person who ran for president in the last cycle who had a reasonable approach. Do you think the left is going to say, no, no, you're right. No cocks in women's sports. Do you think they're going to say that?
I don't think they'll use that language. Do you think they'll even concede the principle? AOC saying woke 1.0, it was crazy. It implies there is a woke 2.0 coming, just by the logic of it. It's just it's selling it differently. It's packaging it in a way that doesn't look woke. These people are Marxists. That is who they are. Do you like annoying people just by taking a sip of coffee or the clothes you're wearing? Then head over to our merch store where you'll be able to buy hoodies, T-shirts, caps, prints, stickers, posters, and of course, the world famous Trigonometry mug. Go to shop.triggerpod.co.uk. That's shop.triggerpod.co.uk and become part of the show.
So, Stephen Crowder, welcome to Trigonometry. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. We've been trying to have you on for a long time. So glad it's happened. Before we get into the conversation we want to have, we want to talk about what's happening on the right in the U.S., what's happening on the left. Tell us your story. Well, before that, can we just have a gentleman's agreement that this should be fun? Because I know we have to get the clips. That's why you make sure fun happens, is you have an agreement. Exactly. no it's just this is i often don't do like sit down interviews because you know clip culture has ruined everything so people are looking for a clip so let's just get out of the way like jews blacks kkk which camera should i look to is it that one jews banks blacks uh trans and kids you guys got anything else that will do mexicans right and now don't agree with any of them i just i dislike all of them let's just say that so we can actually have a conversation because that's big thing that was the veneer of a conversation and you can feel people like and uh it's like the old improv like yes and they're waiting for you to salute like i don't ah there it is so um but yes thank you for having me it's not like i was avoiding you guys you guys picked the worst
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cities yeah we do you come to the states it's like new york l.a austin it's like you just get like a bum piss map it's still if i were to think that america is this way like that was my perception like this is a horrible place well actually we've done we've had the chance to go out of the big cities a couple of times so we were just in rural michigan i've been to colorado utah so i've seen a little bit more of it okay and that's always cool because you kind of go oh i thought i understood america and actually i don't know where in michigan did you get up north like traverse city area well we were in hillsdale oh okay hillsdale college yeah yeah yeah yeah we drove past the data center that was being built oh that's always fun uh and the guy was like i don't know how many jobs they're going to create, but there's going to be a lot of security jobs.
Yeah, exactly right. Well, there'll be a lot of jobs for a short amount of time, and then it'll be, you know, self-managing. So that's always good. Yeah. Well, it's in the spirit of keeping things fun. Yeah. Everyone's going to lose their job. Yeah. Let's talk about data centers and AI. Anyway, tell us your story. How'd you get here? Well, the driver on the way here was Brazilian. And do you mean... I meant like my life story. And my arms are tired. Yeah. No, I was, so born in Detroit, um, which should be annexed and then raised in Montreal, Canada. So my mom's French Canadian, my dad's American, and I was raised there from three till I left for, I was just doing standup about 17 or 18, I think about 18. And, uh, yeah, raised in a lap of socialism. You'll get people who are mad about it. It is effectively socialism in Quebec and it's very different from the rest of Canada. And, uh, yeah.
My whole, all my formative years, that's really what's different, I would say, between my background and my approach is, so like I appeared on Fox News, I was 21 years old, and I never wanted, they would say, youngest contributor, I'm like, let's not say that, because sooner or later that, you know, I'm not going to be that, and I didn't really like to operate off of gimmickry. But they didn't know what they wanted to do with me. They just would, like, put me on a debate panel with Alan Combs or Alicia Menendez. Her dad was a senator, you know, stocking gold bars in his ceiling, and now he's in an orange jumpsuit.
And I did okay with the debate, but it wasn't my thing. And when I showed up, I didn't know who Sean Hannity was. I didn't know any... Because I grew up in Canada where we didn't really have AM radio. Occasionally we could pirate something, like we'd get Rush Limbaugh from Plattsburgh, New York. And so the people I grew up watching, David Letterman, I can tell you the day I wanted to do stand-up, I was at the Just for Last festival. I watched Norm Macdonald in 1994, I believe, do a bit. And I used to be, since you've done stand-up, I'm sure you have festivals, like, when they broadcast it, they have seat fillers, which is people, they might not show up, like, they might have corporate seats.
So for the cameras, they don't want it to be empty. They go, you go out to B7, B4. So I got to sit at the world's biggest comedy festival and watch the greatest comedians really on the planet. So it was five to ten comics every night hosted by a big name. Like, one night would be Jerry Seinfeld. One of my favorites was Dame Edna. Then it was Michael Richards. He didn't yell about hanging N-words in a tree when I was there. And I watched Norm Macdonald, and his joke was so different, and the pacing was so different that it just left a mark. I said, okay, I guess I want to do that. And I was never really aware of the fact that I was super conservative until my drama teacher accused me of being a right-wing zealot when I was 12.
I asked my dad what that meant, and he said, who told you that? I was like, my drama teacher's like, this bitch. And he explained it to me, and I went back and told him, so that's what I am, right-wing. I was raised in a Christian household, but the conversations just took place around the dinner table. And then I would be canceled from college gigs just because I would have bits that might be what people would consider politically incorrect or today anti-woke. you know jokes about islam jokes about and it was clean too um it was not like it was blue jokes about feminism whatever it is i'm talking about like when i'm 16 17 18 and uh it was a pretty rude awakening and then i came full circle i started acting first the first thing i ever did was the show arthur on pbs little aardvark you know that show yeah i know yeah he has a pet dog and a sister and i was the brain the bear um it was very out of care that's why it's acting it's like batman can't play batman he has to play c auditions for superman he's like otherwise it's not acting so um yeah i then full circle to stand up and boy i was dropped by my manager dropped by an agent early on because uh the john stewart show daily show this was a real was a real moment for
me they reached out to my manager it's like hey do you have anyone like this guy like stephen crowder like you know kind of young you know edgy but like but we don't do conservative and then i heard him go out publicly and said we just chase the funny and i was like well no you don't so uh yeah i just i kind of threw up my flag and the allies found me and it took me into this milieu but this is not what i ever intended to do um and here we are here i'm talking with uh an ex-russian expat russian i guess and uh and you you say venezuelan but let's be honest i mean i know you are but uh are there that many white people in venezuela is it like listen man my dad's irish king came along and bleached everything so you know it's it's like those areas of brazil where you're like what's 75 italian oh the mussolini people playing whereas i'm officially english now those are the rules are you yeah not as far as i'm concerned well that's tough though because like you say russian people look at you like you could be in one of those you know sar uh castles or you could be yelling allahu akbar on a plane and that's right people buy it more likely the latter i think yeah yeah you're generically ethnic like abercrombie also temperamentally i'm more like that are you yeah
Blow and shut up. Plus, if he hasn't eaten, that's... When he gets a bit, you know, yeah, it gets a bit passionate. All right. So let's talk about what's happening in America. One of the things that is interesting to us is just being outside observers, looking in. I remember being here in Austin two years ago. Gross. I cannot disagree with that. But it was an exciting time for a lot of people, especially people on the right, because it was quite clear Trump was about to win and not clear what the scale of the win would be. And we were flying to L.A. the day of the election. So we didn't know. And everybody in Austin was like, oh, you're going to L.A.
It's going to be riots. It's going to be, oh, you're flying right into the heat of it. And we got there. Trump won. And he won literally everything. The Republicans won the House, the Senate, the popular vote, the Electoral College, the presidency, obviously. And there were no riots because it's sort of just they were so overwhelming. And I remember we sat down with Rob Schneider and he was so happy. Yeah. And there was this time of like, wokeness is over, Ukraine is going to get finished, no more foreign wars, you know, the right's going to be united, we're going to deal with this, we're going to deal with that.
And it's been less than two years. Yeah. What happened? Boy, that's a lot. But enough about politics in general. Let's go back to me. No, I remember that, that election night. And I will tell you the reason that it was so important to me. So we covered the election in 2020. And we covered it in 2016. Then it was the biggest election stream in 2020. And I don't know if you ever have those moments where you go, there's nothing I could do about it, and that was wrong. And it was 2020 when they called Arizona with, you know, like 0.4% of the vote. This is hyperbole, by the way, but it was just far too little.
And I remember going, wow, that can't be right. As far as calling it, I wasn't contesting the result right away, but going, and there's nothing I can do about it. so that's why we made sure going into the next election, because before that, it was sort of like you're a podcast and you're a companion, you know, podcast to, like Joe Rogan would do Fight Companions because it's a pay-per-view. We paid for all the same news wires that, you know, Reuters, AP, they have, and then we also brought on some data analysts, so we were actually able to have more granularity. We were the first place on Earth to call Georgia and Pennsylvania, and I believe we were within, like, a minute of the election.
And that's because I never wanted to sit there and feel so powerless, where I felt like I was still kind of at the mercy of legacy media, and we already knew that they weren't on us. And, of course, I'd gone through, you know, the demonetization, which we can talk about, the Vox Adpocalypse, all of this. So, like, cancel, before cancel culture was coined, I was canceled. Now, being demonetized for saying nothing worse than Lispy Sprite versus, you know, the beat cop showing up at your door in the UK, I mean, I'll take the pay cut. But it's still a symptom of the same problem. So that election happens.
um and i will say look nobody's perfect uh and there have been some disappointments from this administration yep got it but he has done more than any president ever not just in our lifetime for example on immigration that was the primary issue for people um he has done more socially and culturally as far as when people talk about cancel culture i mean we had videos that were literally banned from youtube there are only two genders change things like that so um and it's really tough for me to look at a guy where he he would be in jail he would have been lulid and go like ah he did this wrong i'm disappointed with this let alone i mean i don't want to spend a whole bunch of time on the iran war because it'll just get everyone mad but he said no new wars sure but we actually seldom have a record i can't think of any a track record as long as donald trump's on iran because he was a public figure before he was president and you can go back to the 80s with him saying, I'll nuke them.
They're like, well, he's like, we got to do away with the red. I'm just saying they're the, they're the shittios we have to deal with. And then asking him again in 87 and in 92 and then tweeting about it before it was X while Barack Obama was president. So he's been very, very clear. on that now i think that it's been carried out pretty badly as far as communication i said give it three months well the three months are up not a big fan of how it's been conducted but i also understand the reasoning behind it i don't think that it's a closed-handed issue certainly not this idea that iran is no threat there's a reason that everyone there doesn't want them to proliferate nuclearly nuclearly can you say nuclearly we just did a bunch of george bush impressions and he's sitting there nuclear um so it's hard for me to go yeah let me throw the baby out with a bath water because of something that he's been clear about. People may not agree with him on it, but it's not betrayal. Oh, no, I wasn't. I mean, getting you to slam Trump is not what this is about. What I was actually much more interested. But there are people doing it on that going. Well, he promised no new wars. It's like, well, you could also argue he's trying to put an end to a
war because he's saying people will go, Iran hasn't killed a single American. You dumb piece of shit. Of course they have. Doesn't justify it. There are plenty of countries that, by the way, kill Americans. It happens all the time. When you look at American bases, you look at obviously things that happen covertly, but this idea that he said he was never going to interfere with Iran, that's not true. That they haven't killed any Americans, that's not true. So I think the through line that's really important, and a lot of people have lost the plot, is I'm right-wing, just to be clear. I would actually be further... No, but I would be further right-wing than even people like Tucker, Nick Fuentes. If you were to put me on a scale, you would say I'm further right wing. And I don't shy back from that. Who's a right wing than Nick Fuentes? Well, I won't vote Democrat.
So that's one qualifier. Yeah. And he's not gay. How do you know? I just made a gay joke. That's liable. He was on the show and by the way, had two really good debates. But I'm very, very far right wing. Okay. And I'm a Christian conservative. I'm a nationalist. Okay, fine. All of that. But the basis can't be feelings. It can't be political correctness. It can't be a wish list. It has to be truth. And so sometimes people will say that I'm a demagogue or that, well, you're being divisive. It's not left versus right, man. This is actually what I believe. The right and certainly the Republican Party, they're wrong about some things, quite a few things. Certainly they're prescriptions. The left, as it exists today, in my opinion, is wrong prescriptively about everything, about everything there is no prescription from the left that i can hear where there's any validity and people go what about the war on drugs i go just off you want to what a bunch of black tar hair i want fine but even then it's not a left right issue aside from that what education two to three trillion dollars public education the truth is it sucks uh the border policy immigration 10 to 20 million illegals let's i'm just giving you a general broad strokes number under biden
Well, it sucks. They cost $150 to $450 billion a year to the taxpayer. That's the truth. It sucks. Okay, abortion. Well, the truth is, scientifically, biologically, that's a life. Okay, that's the truth. We can develop our prescription off of that. Free speech, the left doesn't believe in it. They'll say they do. They don't. They say, oh, I didn't leave the left. The left, they left me. It's such bullshit. It's such a cop-out. They've always been anti-free speech. What else can we look at? Changing your gender. You can't change your gender. Wait, that one isn't true. It is. No, it's not. It absolutely is.
So the comedians that I used to really enjoy, people like George Carlin and Bill Hicks, they were the ones who were being arrested and criticized by the conservative side of the religious conservatives. I'm not super interested in having this debate particularly, but it's just that bit isn't true. Bill Hicks aimed it at both sides, though, by the way. He wasn't just a leftist comedian. Bill Hicks' last monologue on Letterman was not released or published because of backlash from Christian conservatives. Because he had gay jokes that sort of sounded like he approved of it. Yeah, but then you also had Sam Kinison, who, by the way, like, people embraced him and he yelled that there were no straight people with AIDS.
There was a time, there was a time when the left believed in free speech and then they stopped, is my argument. But anyway. Politically, no. But as far as individual comedians, sure. But the censorship as a movement silencing voices. now here's the thing uh and i can i can give you some personal examples you can go into a comedy club this has always been the case when i was coming up there was no joe rogan there was no sort of alternative i was a i was seen as a gimmick they would say conservative comedian you could go up and talk about uh you know being spit roasted at a truck stop an orgy but if you went up and made a joke about feminists or about muhammad you could hear the sphincters pucker so it's not about vulgar they're fine with vulgarity but they're not but they're when you were talking When you were talking earlier about blue comedy, I was like, they don't give a shit about that.
They don't care how offensive it is. It's more about people's political views. You've moved on to the left, which is cool. No, no, no, I want to go, but I'm just saying, this is why I am right-wing. The other thing, you can't change your bio... So the truth needs to be the through line. And then if you look at the right, you go, okay, so why is it fractured? Is it based on something truthful? That's not what I see. It's not. When I see people go, and Donald Trump hasn't done anything on immigration. No, that's not true. Yeah. And by the way, he hasn't. And we actually warned against this early on where we said, hey, there are people out there trying to tell you that Obama actually deported more people.
That's not true. OK, because turnaways were counted differently. And don't feed into this because they're going to try and use this talking point against you. We warned about it. And then sure enough, these people on the whatever Marxist right go, yeah, actually, Obama deported more. That's not true. There have been more deportations in any recent administration. Not only that, legal immigration, H1Bs. I mean, no one has pulled more levers than this guy. And by the way, it's been blocked by the courts. And if you don't have borders, if you simply welcome a giant wave of third world immigration and you grant them citizenship, which is what the left wants to do, they want to do away with the electoral college, guess what?
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“The only consistency that I see is that the people doing the fracturing have been remarkably inconsistent.”
I mean, is it? I mean, if we're talking like the guy in 2028, it's still going to be the conservative movement. It's still going to be a nationally focused movement.
I still see the tenets being the same, right, as far as strong borders, as far as dealing with immigration. I think now, if anything, you're seeing more of a social component to it because people realize that, you know, you can't fill the void of God that you once had with nothing. I mean, I think you guys see that in the UK, whether you're Christians or not. If you kill God, you don't end up with not God. You just end up with something else wearing God's robe, whether it's Islam, whether it's secular humanism, whether it's environmentalism. These are all forms of religion, if you look at the way that they're practiced. So I don't see the movement changing very much.
What I see it is the candidate best matching up to the conservative America first MAGA movement and not the other way around. Because Trump, in many ways, was kind of innovative for the Republican Party. For instance, things like tariffs. That isn't really a free market policy. So I take your point, but he also, what he did was innovative. I'll go back to that word, because it was broadly right-wing, but it was taking policies from the left as well. No, it was something that had been practiced by previous presidents a long time ago, to be fair. Well, that's when people say, what have you changed your mind on?
“I don't believe in economic protectionism, but I do believe in equalizing the playing field.”
engaging really funny and you had a video which is woke 2.0 is going to be worse than the original woke yeah i mean the original woke excuse my language it was fucking horrific yeah how can it i mean there was a point when people forget this well all you had to say is men can't be women your twitter account was done my friend it was over it was gone oh yeah how can woke 2.0 be worse than that well how can people say that the left and the right are both the same when again could we do we agree that woke 1.0 was coming from one side exclusively yes politically okay yet people now going it's the same oh who really cares donald trump says there's only two genders well what that does is it makes the conversation acceptable because i was being banned from campus and demonetized on youtube i mean you talk about one uh woke 1.0 i was watching a hearing and senator hirono and stephen father committed hate speech i'm like what the fuck talk talk about surreal where i'm sitting there like and susan wajiski was at the recode conference saying well he didn't violate our policies he actually didn't he didn't violate our policies didn't violate
community guidelines so they demonetized me i said okay that sucks i've had when people misuse the term panic attacks i hate it because i've had two maybe three in my life but i remember exactly where i was yeah so and one of them was when youtube was calling with this vox apocalypse i mean their stock took a nose dive and they demonetized a bunch of history channels because of yours truly sorry about that and uh they called and they were reading off a script they're like and uh after our internal review and the room started spinning because at this point I didn't really have any other primary form of income.
And I'm going, oh, no, they're going to ban me, so I won't be able to reach out to people to build my business. And I laid back on the bed, and they said, and that's why we've decided to demonetize you. And I was like, oh, you're bullshit, and that's it? Okay, thanks, just a few million dollars a year gone. But then it wasn't enough, so they demanded the borderline content rule, the rule that we deal with now that's very opaque, that is known sometimes in the industry as the Crowder rule. It didn't exist before this because they needed to appease the leftist mob more. You have senators and you have legislators saying, well, it's not enough to demonetize them.
You seem quite proud of it being named after you. You are. Look at your little face. If my life is going to be semi-destroyed, I want my name on a plaque. Yeah, yeah. It's like, hey, come on. Yeah, it's like you get a disease named after you. Right. It's like Bruce Wayne with the orphanage. He's like, my name better be on there, Alfred. So, I don't know if he said that. But it would be funny if Batman was egotistical. I mean, he was egotistical. He was a little bit. Yeah. We were talking about him doing stand-up. Like, why aren't you laughing? This is funny. Go on to the next one, Master Wayne.
So yeah, what happened with, I don't know why Michael Caine is in the audience. Get off it. They don't like the racial humour. Do your tranny stuff. Don't work. Was he at one of your gigs, Stephen? Michael Caine. Why do you think you can't hear laughter anymore? I mean, I don't know. i don't even know what this voice is um so yeah this was really really bad woke 2.0 let me explain it to you this way because people don't appreciate how bad it was um if you have children and let's say you tell your child to not do something i don't know don't uh you know don't take cookies when i'm not there but the kid is determined to do it you catch him getting on the counter and reaching it okay he now knows that he's going to be caught that way or she uh he's going to find a way around it so he now has set into his programming all right i now know how to evade the obvious point of detection so i've got to take another route it's going to be more subversive they're not going to say hey you have to you know it's hate speech if you don't use these genders they're going to change it they're going to say yeah we thought me too was too much for example look at that cornell 7 and we had on the show i guess
Now it's Cornell 8, I guess. Is it? What happened? I haven't followed that. We did a bit where we had the Cornell 8 on the show in a letterman's jacket, and he had 8 on his shirt, and he was like, I just watched, I sat there and watched and then watched Storage Wars and went to bed. And now I guess there are 8. But look at how they handled that, right? Because MeToo was rejected. Obviously, rape is bad. I mean, I don't want to speak for you. I think we agree that rape is bad. But then you had people, like even people who I despise, like Aziz Ansari. He is a woke leftist himself. He had a bad date.
Okay, you went to a guy's apartment at 2 a.m., drank white wine, and you're surprised that a short Indian man is perhaps not the most tactful lover. That's not rape. So they go now, they go, well, obviously me too was bad. They go, but this woman was gangbanged against her will and she passed out. In other words, they know that you're going to say, hold on a second, hold on a second. We did used to have a conversation about consent, and they go, we know that people care about consent, so now we're going to change the definition of consent. This person did consent. This person was conscious. This person did try and follow up and have more dates with them, and she was regretful after the fact.
It doesn't matter. They've changed it now to say, no, no, no, no, no. you can remove and don't you know this you can even consent and reiterate the next day and the day after and two weeks after because that's a trauma response so the conversation used to be well she did consent and they would say well you can retroactively remove consent we rejected it we're like no you can't well now they go well actually it's not real consent it's a trauma response see so they bake it into the woke 2.0 to sell it to you to sell it to unsuspecting rubes as a new bill of goods and uh my concern is that that intersects with people saying there's no difference between the right and the left i mean i was shocked to see how many people who were on the right especially these women with lindsey clancy blaming pharmaceutical companies i was shocked to see how many people were saying this is just all disgusting the cornell seven look i get it an orgy may not be your thing it's not my thing either you know call me mr traditional but it was their thing. What a prude. Well, I have known to be prudish. I draw the line at five or six. I call that the grace gang banger, like the express aisle. But it's baked into it.
They now know how to sell it what didn't work. To expect anything else is to believe that the left is willing to actually correct the past and say, you know what, we went too far, and maybe we should stop pushing this agenda. They can't. Well, what I find interesting about AOC saying woke 1.0 when it was crazy is it implies there is a woke 2.0 coming just by the logic of it right so what is woke 2.0 that's what it is it's just it's selling it differently it's packaging it in a way that doesn't look woke but see we just interviewed David Pakman right who's a left-wing you know progressive YouTube commentator and the moment we brought up trans it was like trans had never happened he basically just went I always thought we just you know gave that issue too much you know it's up to individual sports oh bullshit well i i didn't say it quite like that but okay i like to do you believe him no no no all right good well they just say that except no bullshit well see for me we always whenever we have people on we like to let them express their point of view and with him it's useful for people to see that and i thought he actually made a lot of good points on other things but he probably didn't but this idea
that trans was, like, not a big deal. I mean, it was rammed down everybody's fucking throats for years at a time, and you had to... It's almost like, you know, if you weren't trans yourself, you were violating some sort of requirement. That's how much it went through, but now they're all kind of pulling back. So I'm not sure you're going to bring that one back. I mean, that one was clearly deeply... Of course it will. What, you think trans is coming back? Yes. I don't think it ever went anywhere. Do you think the left is going to say, no no you're right no men no biological no cocks in women's sports do you think they're going to say that i don't think they'll use that language do you think do you think they'll even concede the principle i know no no no they will do what david did which is they'll say oh this was never a big deal gavin newsom did that with charlie kirk right which by the way i was critical of charlie when that happened and uh i said why don't you push back gavin was like of course you know i've never been for that yes he was he absolutely was he was biological sports So they'll just say that they weren't.
That's what I'm saying, Woke 2.0. They'll say, well, no, no, we're not talking about this extremism. They are. It's the same thing when they say, well, abortion, no, we're not zealots. You can't name me. And people get mad when I say this. They go, it's not left versus right, man. It is. It's not only left versus right. But that is the primary delineation in worldviews. And it is the most effective one. I am not going to disagree with any other group more consistently than the left, including by the way billionaires elites jews accountants if you say the left i go okay i'm going to disagree with them on more things than any other group of people if you look at uh the the trans issue you're just talking about uh we were talking about gavin newsom right uh and then what was the question you said something about the pac-man guy the the well i just said i said to i we put the trans issue to him and he was all right that was never you know i never thought that was important we talked about it way too much that's what they'll say uh but then when you have two people with if not two dicks um enlarged love nub at the olympics boxing for the final medal you guys know what i'm saying uh they'll still defend it they still always defend it and
going to the abortion issue they go we're not zealots you can't find one person on the left on the dnc national platform who will put any limitation whatsoever on abortion whatsoever However, all the way up to birth, and then, of course, you had governors and senators, and people when asked, even asked, would you support, for example, some kind of bill for infants born alive? I won't give any comment on that. I'm actually at the point where I believe that what people would view as the radical right-wing view is more reasonable than the moderate left view. Because people say, we're talking about the Democrats, not the woke left.
Okay, name me one person on that platform. One person who ran for president in the last cycle who had a reasonable approach to trans issues. Who didn't believe in trans and kids. Who didn't believe in men and women's sports. Name me one. Last time. I imagine, I don't know much about this, so this is just off the top. I imagine in the previous cycle, you would have had Tulsi and Andrew Yanko, who we've just had on. I don't imagine they would have been for trans and kids. That would have been a while ago, Tulsi. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's obviously been drummed out of the core, like Tulsi Gabbard.
So, no, I mean, OK. Kamala Harris. Yep. Biden. Yep. Elizabeth Warren. Yep. Bernie. Yep. Gavin Newsom. Yep. Right now. Tallarico. AOC. Yep. El-Sayed. I mean, aside from, you know, evading the Muslim Brotherhood question, we don't really know everything about his views. So, yeah, it's still what they believe. It's just they are going to attempt to repackage it. They don't move back. Hard to imagine how they'll bring back trans. That's going to be a tough one. Compelled language. Tell me more. They don't go, hey, we want biological men in women's sports. They're not going to say that, right? Because people go, what?
Get out of here. These are the same people used to have the sign that said, no vagina, no opinion. And now it reads like, or whatever is the addendum. So they're not going to say that, but they're going to say, well, yeah, but you know what? It's not right to, it's hate speech to not use these pronouns. It's violating rights of the children. you know, it's basically they don't believe in parental rights, but violating your parental responsibilities and not listening to it. That's what you hear them saying now, that they want to transition. It'll be compelled language like you saw in Canada or you see in Europe.
They say you're free to speak unless you step on the landmines that they have laid down for you, in which case you can be arrested, you can be fined, you can be deplatformed. If they came out and said, we were wrong about that. But not only do they not do that, I saw the democratic socialist, Bernie Sanders, praising Lula. What are we doing here? What does he mean? He doesn't actually, that was the thing, right? It's just, oh, the qualifier is democratic socialism. Well, he doesn't believe in that. He doesn't believe in that. He doesn't believe that Lula is anything other than a corrupt politician. It's a means to an end.
People are Marxists. That is who they are at their core. Now, it doesn't mean everyone who votes Democrat. I'm talking about those in charge of the party. If they can compel language, they will. If they can take away your guns, they will. If they can de-platform you, they will. Why? Because they try. And the only thing that stopped them was alternative media shining a light on information, right? The CNNs, the places don't have a stranglehold, and the Trump administration stepping in. It's no small thing. I truly believe it'll just be more subversive. They'll try and be subtle in the packaging. It's the exact same agenda. Don't doubt it for a second.
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“Americans do believe that they could have a good idea, create a business, get ahead, and support their family.”
has been happening is because of all the money printing, what has happened is the people who own assets that's not just billionaires actually it's boomers and gen x's and some millennials and obviously in every generation you're going to get people who break out of the trap of it sure but increasingly the people who own assets and have owned assets for 20 30 years are running away from everybody without doing any more work they just happen to live at a time when there's so much inflation and so much debasement of the currency for the last 30 years that all you really had to do you know the genius plan was you had to be a boomer and buy a house for three dollars in in 1970 right that's an exaggeration i believe yeah but well just to be clear did you use my jumping off point as the stupid form of the argument no no no what i'm saying is the left has a stupid version of this okay i feel better about it but but there is a steel man version of the argument which is due to the debasement of the currency and money printing you have a situation
where the asset owners are running away from everybody, not because they invented some new thing that does a thing, not because they created a business, not because they did anything, but because they bought a house for $3 in 1973. Yeah. And now it's worth $2 million. Also, I also appreciate that we can have a conversation where you don't have to be specific about everything and someone's like, you know what? You have a thing that can do a thing like that. You develop a thing that's prolapse. You're like, well, that's not a good thing. Yeah.
“That doesn't make sense unless someone else is picking up the tab, unless you're incentivized or in some cases pressured.”
never going to have uh a socialist come in and say hey by the way i don't know you know what's really really cool about the end of this is i'm going to enslave you uh they'll always come in saying it's democratic they'll always come in saying that yeah you can vote us in we're going to do this for you and uh eventually you know the old phrase is that money runs out so i think in
States, you can have both forms of a populist movement. It's really interesting. And where do you see the Mamdani democratic socialists? Do you think they've got real cut through with people in the country? Or do you think this is mainly just a city-based phenomenon? I don't know. I mean, it's one of those things I just like, I don't, because you'll have people who like say comedian and then they like present themselves as intellectuals. Everything I just said could be wrong. But I will make references available for every single claim that I make. I don't think of myself as a genius. I don't think of myself as knowing all this. I think of myself as a student.
And I've studied those topics pretty well. As far as a political prediction with Mumdani, obviously you're going to test it in New York first. How far is it going to go? How far is a guy going to go who doesn't like wearing shoes and eats rice bowls with his hands? I mean, I don't think it'll play well in Oklahoma, but I don't know. Well, his point is about the left-wing economic populism. Well, Bernie was the movement candidate. I focused on Bernie when everyone was focusing on Hillary. I'm like, look, that's going to be the coronation. It's going to be Hillary. But Bernie is the movement candidate.
And we saw a lot of people come over from Bernie to Donald Trump. So there is an intersect. And I think some people are, either because they're simple-minded, I guess, acting like leftist populism is the same as free market populism. But yeah, I think a lot of people are confused, and it's become the same chance as Bernie, you know, the billionaires, which used to be millionaires. But now that he's a multimillionaire with three houses, which, by the way, like, it's so funny. people like aoc has a nice tesla and a nice apartment people go like well you know they live in this system or hassan piker has like you know a rolex or whatever it is which by the way to me is like i don't know that's what's always funny about socialism like i just saw lula wearing a ralph loren shirt what's the line like does someone say like no no it's old navy or less you don't get to work like because that would be considered very luxurious to a lot of people like you say well you can do that but you can't do armani so you can have ralph loren like they can't actually give you a line it's just you have more than them and so they deserve to take it i think it's i mean it's it's theft with a with a publicist that's all socialism is but bernie went
from the you know the the millionaires to the billionaires and he has three houses like that's not one of those things where you go well he needs a car to get someplace like well he needs a summer house okay what about the third one he's like fuck son of a summer summer house in my mind he's gilbert godfrey but like what's the just you don't need that and then we also look by the way people selling you this shit sorry pardon my language but since i know you're probably going to censor it out anyway i don't mean censor edit it out uh we believe in free speech i know you believe in free speech but you know gilbert godfrey yelling out you know i get it i would i would i would cut it out for me too it's like they're the least charitable people on the planet so if you want know who gives most it's conservative christians we know that statistically the biggest indicator as to what i know i keep banging the table the biggest indicator as to who is going to give is are they a person of faith religious and uh do they vote red and there's a book i think was brooks who wrote who really cares we've cited it um people on the left don't because it's their ebenezer scrooge before the redemption i used to get so mad as a kid i said back to
michael crane the best one was for muppets uh as a kid people go scrooge if you don't like christmas i'd be like piss off he was a mayor he was a man merrier than any other in the town mankind became his business that's like the fifth gospel like the story is he's redeemed but what does he say before that people often make it seem like he was rich and then he was a socialist he says are there no prisons are there no poor houses my taxes go there so they should make use of it and then once he's been visited by three spirits one of them sexually assaulted him if you read it uh he is like you know what no it's it needs to be voluntary and that's a tenet of christianity is voluntarism to some degree so christians give more individually uh socialists leftists don't that's why they demand it be taken by force.
It was the funniest story. Bernie Sanders, there was an actual image of his tip, like at Starbucks, and it was like exactly $1.32, meaning he rounded to exactly 18% on his latte because he's not going to give a penny more, but he's going to vote that you give it all. British people watching this are going, well, you tip for a coffee? You weirdos. I know, that's one thing you guys get right. Yeah. The Brazilian driver, they completely, here it's everything is cheap you not deliver you no cook for me you just hand me the bag it's bullshit like no one understands american tipping culture yeah it's true it's almost arabic actually it is i feel like i'm at a bazaar it's like i feel like i have some barker trying to negotiate with like i'm not trying to negotiate about my hot wings get out of here but your point is actually interesting and i've thought about this quite a bit which is um there's a massive difference between voluntarily giving and thinking the government should take from other people and give it away and and like in europe that version is considered the that's that's empathy it's when you take from these people and you give to these people instead of encouraging everyone to create and then to share with others what they think is the right thing to do
Like, I do that voluntarily. My wife and I give money to charity because we want to do that and we think it's better for us and for the people whom we're helping to do that. Yeah. But this flip in mentality is actually a very interesting point. It's also far more effective. I mean, unless you're like Bono, where it's all virtue signal. Remember his one charity? Remember it came out that I think it was quite literally less than 1% of every dollar actually went to charity. So that's the thing. When we did the Live Aid concert, it turns out we basically funded a genocide and a warlord. We're like, whoops!
Freddie Mercury sounded pretty good, though, in his last AIDS days, didn't he? So it's one of those things. The left, they view their charity as voting to take from somebody else. And that's another thing, going back to the right. Like, I will tell you this. There are a lot of accounts that have popped up. And, of course, a lot of them are in Bangladesh or whatever other shithole country, which we can say now because Trump did than they are, where they were like, you know what, though? I don't think this is right. Like, people shouldn't... People should be allowed treats on Snap. And we said, well, you're not getting, like, soda on Snap. By the way, one of the biggest recipients was, like, the Coca-Cola company. They lobby for Snap. So you would think this would be this sort of...
this confluence of all these issues, like, oh, big corporations, big soda companies, and they're basically robbing from your pocket to pay for a giant welfare state, so the people who don't work are getting Coca-Cola. And then people on the right are like, everyone deserves a treat. It's like, well, okay, fine. Pay for your own fucking treats. Until then, it's government loaf. That's what you get. My view is the chronically poor. And by the way, the Founding Fathers talked about this. It's very important, I think, I think, to delineate, you always have to say that, to delineate between people who've had some tough breaks and the Jimmy Braddox of the world, right, who then wins the championship.
Hands back everything that he got from the local public works office. And people who were referred to as the, I believe it was, the vicious poor. If you look at the founding fathers, they talked about those who have no interest in working, who have no interest in contributing, who will sit with idle hands for the rest of their days if given the chance, and they will take from their fellow man. They're like, we do not build an economic system to support those people. Those people will always be amongst you. that's very different from people who need some help every now and then. The problem is the vicious poor in this country have been welcomed as third-world immigrants.
And here's the thing. If you want to talk about economic populism as it relates to a big welfare state, okay, you can have a giant welfare state or you can have open borders pick one. That's just reality. People go, well, everyone here is an immigrant. Come on. First off, are we acting like people coming from Ireland and England and Germany, like they were from different planets? They had shared common values in a lot of ways. In most ways, religion, you know, they would learn English when they came here, but they came here with a promise of nothing more than whatever it was, a few coins in their pocket. That's very different from people coming here and immediately benefiting from our public systems more than Americans who work and pay taxes. You have to pick one. The left will never address that issue. They will never address it. They used to address it. The left, well, I'm talking about the UK, used to actually be quite protectionist.
Mm-hmm. On immigration? On immigration. Like Bernie. Bernie was the same. That's just because English people are racist. That was a right. They're like, that's a little too brown in this neck of the woods. Do you say neck of the woods there? I don't know. Yeah, we do say neck of the woods. Really? Yeah. Okay, I thought Al Roker was the one who patented that. No. But he also has, like, no neck. Hmm. Fat black guy in the United States. Are you familiar with Al Roker? No. National treasure. Shit his pants at the White House. There we go. Apparently, it's very funny. But we don't understand that reference.
Your boys are enjoying it. yeah yeah that's the main thing he told the story he told the story on air he's like i pooped my pants at the white house and he taught and like he told it and it didn't get the reaction that he expected like i think he thought be like ah you pooped your pants at the white house but the reaction was like hey we've all been there as in we made a joke you heard the silence we now know you've been there no we have been to the white house yeah uh but we haven't pooped our pants oh i've never been to the white house and i've never pooped my pants well so i guess that makes me better than you. Interesting. On those two categories. On those two categories. So you were
“and the basis for it was something that his brother said on my show the friday before it”
and has come out maybe and jumped in front i doubt it well let's find out i mean it i really doubt it let's find out you know why not because the left is stupid uh i this is one thing in you know having debated there at fox news when i was young and appearing on hln bbc quite a bit sky news all
“He had never encountered the arguments that I presented.”
Well, I know why it is for the generation like millennials. So, and this is when I wrote the book that was called something else because the term SJW wasn't even a thing yet and woke wasn't a thing yet. And it was turned down from every major conservative publisher. It was basically changed my mind, but with chapters on it. is, let's say, a millennial person, born, you know, I was born in 87. Say someone born somewhere between 85 and the early 90s. Lives the average American life. They go to public school. They turn on MTV network news, right?
The bands they listen to. They go to university. If they come out of that conservative, they have had to defend their view every single day of their life. There are no exceptions. The leftist, the liberal from my generation, would accept everything by default. And that's why I think it's very important to delineate between those who've accepted the default cultural position and those who are the manipulators, right? The propagandists of set positions. So it's impossible to go through life, and I would say this probably with most generations, it's impossible to go through life as a young person and be right-leaning or conservative and not have to think about why because you have to defend it.
The left never does. So the left, they never actually have to grow out of that 14-year-old girl going, save the whales do you want to sign it that's just give them a seat and you've got aoc remember the green new deal it was 11 pages and it was like and cookies and cookies it was everything there it's just like and by the way equity for the whole economy like what the fuck how do you just put this all in there i thought this was about fossil fuels so that's why people on the right have had to defend their view may change now with the fragmenting of media um well actually it's interesting so i was going to agree with you there and in fact i think uh in in large parts That's why the left is so culturally dominant, because the right has to argue for its ideas.
The left just imposes them through the education system and all the rest of it, to the point where people think that's the default position. And actually, it's interesting. So people like us who don't really identify as either left or right, particularly- Oh, stop it. Go on. Stop it. No, I don't want to go on. I just wanted to say, stop it. Oh, okay, fine. Then the moment you stray from the left- Correct. Right, point us to the left, you might as well be. You acknowledge that, right? To the left, they would say right-wing. Yeah, but I reject their right to define my politics. I know, but they would.
I don't give a fuck about them. But here's my point. I agree with you. You're not necessarily right or left, okay? Do you think that someone on the left would agree with your statement? They would say, come on, you're right-wing. No, of course they don't. Of course they don't agree with you. Exactly. Of course. And by the way, a lot of people on the right don't either because they want to co-opt us to right-wing. And, you know, that's flattering in some ways, whatever. But my point was that if you say to a right-leaning person, well, actually, I disagree with you about this and this and this. They go, oh, that's fair enough, but I'm glad we agree on X, Y, Z, right?
If you say to a left-wing person, like, well, I kind of think this is true and this is true, but I don't agree with you, then Nazi is what you get. Right. That's your point. Yeah. But you talk about the fragmentation of the media. I mean, one of the things that I have to say has been mind-boggling to me, and I think this happened particularly after the murder of Charlie Kirk, it went into, like, complete overdrive, is, like, I don't... I genuinely don't understand, like, the ritardo sphere that's been created on some commentators on the right in the new media space, the Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson phenomenon.
Oh, okay. I was going to say, this is interesting because, like, you have the, I love how you have the- This sort of formal lighting, and you have what I call the Protestant church backdrop. Every Protestant church, like, God wants me to be happy. This is in the background. But we have that, but we can also combine it with new media, like, hmm, explain retardosphere. Yeah. Well, I just did. You just gave me a few names. Yeah, but of what people are doing. Coming up with these crazy ideas that have no bearing on reality. Winston Churchill is the greatest villain in World War II. Charlie Kirk's wife killed him, or he killed himself, or the, you know, president macron who's a man killed like what is that israel was behind the uh was behind venezuela and taking maduro i thought that was a french legion it's both it's both it depends but they were transported by the egyptian but it's like and entertainment i get and alex jones was perhaps someone who was doing this kind of stuff for a long time but it just seems to be like more of it but what's weird to me but alex jones actually did believe what he said and alex jones was right on a a lot more than these people are.
He was wrong on some, but Alex Jones was very, like, Alex Jones, when he said, like, you know, he went to Guatemala and South America and we knew that they had syphilis, gonorrhea, and we just let them get infected. Like, we just let them have boils all over their balls. And we're like, and then you're like, oh, Hillary Clinton apologized for it, where we basically allowed disease to spread. And the frogs were turning gay as well. They were turning, at the very least, asexual. Asexual. Yeah. Yeah. So he was, so my point is, like, there's something there. But here's my point. But I came to the Alex Jones phenomenon quite late, by which point a lot of it was pretty wacky.
But I just looked at that and went, okay, that's what Alex Jones does. So I therefore know what to make of that. But if Alex Jones was like the number one anchor on Fox News, and then like two years later, he's this, then I'd have questions. Yeah, and this is why I said, I think the anchor, it has to be truth. It has to be truth. And we have a process for determining truth. Notice that the only institutions at the left they want to do away with are any of the processes or institutions that may determine truth. So, for example, like the justice system. They just say, well, actually, it's completely unjust, and they insert some bullshit statistic here.
You know, the same principle applies to innocent until proven guilty. If you look at math, or you look at, for example, teaching logic and reason in classical Greek fashion, they say that's white privilege, and they demand that those courses be changed. So the mechanisms that you need to decipher, to give you discernment, which i think is very important that's what all wisdom is is discernment the left seeks to destroy so when you say that so many like broad strokes but uh i apply the same standard to that as i do to myself and i do to anything else okay well what is the evidence that's what we need okay what is the you are make if you're making a claim you're asserting this what is the evidence and for everything that you just mentioned the answer is none there are assertions there is no evidence that's why i'm asking why is that happening because because bitches be crazy let's be honest It's a bunch of true crime, silly bitches, the same people who believe that Lindsey Clancy's husband did it, even though that man was a saint, by the way.
They're the same people who believe that Erica Kirk is part of some kind of underground satanic cabal, and they have the same amount of evidence for both of them. It's not the conservative audience. It's not the right-wing audience. It's a bunch of people who are just looking for a reason to stir up shit. There is zero evidence, none whatsoever, that Lindsey Clancy's husband did anything other than, take parental leave, work from home, hire a nanny, fire a nanny when she didn't want the nanny, and go pick up dinner and a prescription for her or the children while she plotted to murder the children. His greatest sin is that he moved on. Now, people say that's too fast to move on. I don't know. I'd move on pretty fucking quickly if a lady killed my kids, right? That would be in my rearview mirror. Same thing. There is zero evidence whatsoever to many of these baseless can pick one hey if there's evidence for it great but there's some here's the thing some people have no interest in it like they'll go you know 30-06 uh It always... No. No, that's just not true.
It's not true. It depends where the shot was taken. Depends on the kind of bullet. It depends where it hits. Now, you can say it's unlikely that a .30-06 would react this way, but my uncle has taken deer many years with a .30-06 and doesn't have an exit wound. Bullets do weird things. That is not a... You know who else got taken out by a .30-06 and didn't have an exit wound? Martin Luther King, Jr. Another one that went through here and then it hit his clavicle. Can we just stop? because he said that it should basically vaporize them like a Ridley Scott film. So this is where, then we move on to another one, whether, what, the Egyptian plane thing, the French Legion, and people don't apply the same filter or the same process.
You do need to apply that equally. Now, my lens, obviously, of the world is more conservative, Christian conservative. I acknowledge that. But I need to recognize if I have a blind spot. So I always try and look into something and I always try and steel man the opposition. I have tried to do it with these conspiracies. there is there really is nothing there there is nothing there and if you look at the audience base it's usually um it's it leans very heavily female on people who are into true crime that's a big part of it to act like this is the same overlap of a huge percentage of trump voters it's just it's just not well that's actually a good explanation and i think this is where i said uh you know if somebody who was doing serious stuff then pivots into this that's perhaps the confusion right do you see what i'm saying yeah uh because it if someone is doing true crime where you go i don't know this is kind of entertaining to watch who knows what's true blah blah blah but if it's sort of presented as a truth claim by someone who used to make truth claims that used to be true that's the point at which but they haven't though yeah tell me more well which people have made truth claims that happen to be true i thought candace owens was absolutely
fantastic at regurgitating Thomas Sowell talking points about the BLM and all that kind of thing. She was very good at selling that to a different audience. I disagree. That's all. I disagree. He disagrees. I think you could go watch her interview with Joe Rogan a very long time ago. There's a reason that he didn't have her back. Obviously people know she was a lifelong liberal and she sued with NAACP and she created social autopsy to dox conservatives i'm sure you're familiar with all of this uh and uh yeah so uh the only consistent through line with all the people you've mentioned is that they've been remarkably inconsistent it would be fine i know that people can be left see the light and go to the right but when someone goes left wing right wing left wing right wing yeah but none of this is something that's really like like falsifiable verifiable none i i you just have to at a certain point ignore it as white noise until you get to evidence so that's why i say the through line has to be truth and it's not just them by the way i talked about this there are very few people i dislike more in the entertainment industry than alan richmond the jack reacher guy uh sorry my stomach's growling so i'll probably go grab something to eat a little bit but um and and
and it's not because i know him personally i dislike him even though i don't know him personally because he first off he goes out and he tells christians that they can't vote for trump and i don't know he was like the epstein list you know the epstein list i would have that shit on lock I'd be like, bitch, get out of the way. And he's just so delusional. And he also said he gained 30 pounds of muscle at 40 completely naturally in six months, which I don't know if it has happened zero times in human history. So that. So my point is I really don't like him because he acts like a stud, but he lives like a bitch.
But then there was this article, we did a whole segment on it. It has like a million plays, I think, where there was this article, Alan Richson, teary-eyed, talks about finding out that his son or daughter was not his with the paternity test. And I will tell you, it happened, and I said, like, a quiet prayer because you're supposed to pray for people you don't like. I just, like, no one should have to go through that. It's completely made up. It's completely made up. And the reason that I thought, well, this must be true is because it says in this clip, and it's a clip of Alan Richland, you know, talking...
those t-shirts that are like always cut out like here like they can't fit their head through it i don't know why that's all he wears and he's talking about some uh show that he worked on is zero to do with his divorce zero to do with a paternity test and it has like two million in reach and then you have the same thing with tom cruise cutting off his kids from his will and these things just go up go up go up and they are completely fabricated so there is a huge cottage industry right now and the tough thing is as someone who the one kind of claim that i i i can
“The truth was more interesting than the lies. It was novel. It was like, actually, what you were told isn't really true.”
is entertainment like you talk to them i know some of these people i go why do you listen to candace and they go yeah but she's really entertaining and it's fun and you go well at that point what are you actually getting from it are you just getting a soap opera yeah or are you getting somebody else who's trying to educate you but the thing is there is nothing wrong with a soap opera as long as everyone involved knows it's a soap opera yeah the issue i have with it is it's truth claims is soap opera presented as truth also i think that mexican soap operas need to label it they're mexican because everyone just looks like white people that is a very very good joke that goes back 20 years in my memory i haven't seen a mexican soap opera for at least 20 Yeah, it's just they just look like what it looks looks like you two. Yeah, but but that's the thing. It doesn't matter The age of a person if they're from Latin America, they will watch that shit. Yeah, and it is shit Yes, it is the worst acting you have ever seen in your life. Oh my gosh I mean I can do that Canadian acting can be pretty bad
It's funny because the talents that come to the States are great and in comedy. They're disproportionately represented but like if you watch canadian tv let alone french canadian tv you have some standouts it's the worst most obvious sense of humor like you know someone like a funny tie and a paper mache hat or some you're like this but they're french they can't do yeah no i know but canadian acting is very over the top uh but yeah it should come with a warning because i don't know if i'm watching a mexican soap opera or any other soap opera because they all look white so canadians are white mexicans is what you're saying yeah effectively only they're more of a national security threat yeah but the food isn't as good in canada yeah do you have any food in canada no i don't They've got poutine.
It's just chips and gravy. Oh, stop it. You guys, you're from the place with the worst food on earth. Hey, listen. We do a great curry. No, no, no, no. We do a great curry. This is my area of expertise, right? You're going to tell me about a great curry? No, no, no, no. We have the best desserts in the world. That's fact. Factually correct. Fact. Let me guess. A pastry, put some cream in it. In my clothes? In my fucking clothes? Listen, we're in Texas. It's sticky toffee pudding. There's a gun over there, and I'm going to shoot you. On that happy note. First off, I don't know if he's allowed to have a gun, But you know what?
I accept it. Fine. We actually have the best food in Montreal. A lot of people don't realize Montreal. That's the one silver lining there is the multiculturalism and what an awful place it is. Like, bagels came through Montreal before New York. People don't realize that. Yeah. Well, on that happy note, Stephen, great to have you on the show. That's it? that's it unless you got more i thought you do the whole thing where you do uh like the speed i mean i always have more we do the speed the speed yeah yeah well this guy i thought he just took a bump when he was just like no no again on desserts that's just ad on desserts uh i always thought you guys do like uh what is it the speed round and no we do uh what what's the one thing we're not talking about which we're about to do and then we go to triggerpod.co.uk for people's questions than we were just sending.
Oh, OK, OK. Well, let me leave it before you do that. One warning. Oh. Go on. Oh, yeah, you wanted to give us the mug. Oh, yeah, that's right. I did give you the mug, just because, you know, look, your mugs are nice, but I mean, if you- Don't start with the fucking mug. My mug is empty. No, no, no, take that butt back. And then, because you have to compare it, like, wait, and this is hand etched. And like, this is what kept us afloat when we were demonetized and canceled. Oh, that's heavy. Yeah, and it's hand etched. One side though, they couldn't afford to have the other side edged. No, actually, that's the classic one that didn't have both sides.
So I gave you something vintage and you shit all over it. But thanks. We're grateful. But you started a bit of a row and we got it finished. It's not a row. It was just offensive. What does row mean? A row. Yeah, it's where you say, sister? R-O. It's our fucking language. Yeah. Well, fine. You get defensive about desserts. Yeah, but you grew up speaking French. Yeah, I didn't. Well, first off, I grew up in Detroit, which also isn't America. And they don't speak English yet. Is it row? Yes. R-O-W. Yes. A row is like a fight. Is that an expression that we use in the States? Row? It's row. Oh, okay.
I get it now. Row as... No, that's... That's... That's that. They caused a row. See, you know what? I'm glad you had a fucking revolution. Anyway. Yeah. I'm glad that we got away. Yeah, me too. What were we saying about the mug? Come back. How do we bring this back? No, that's what kept us afloat because we knew that we were going to be demonetized. Interesting fact, i was waterboarded as part of a christmas telethon and you feel that hand that etching like it gives you grip and the signal when i wanted to stop being waterboarded they taped my hands i was actually waterboarded by you know marine uh navy seals and uh some army rangers they put that in my because i can't talk so they put the mug in my hand people can go watch it and the signal was supposed to be i tossed the mug for them to stop but the problem is the mug was clamped in my hand too tight and it's on there and i literally couldn't toss it didn't they did that on purpose steven well they could have yeah i definitely didn't i thought i could beat it like i stuck my tongue out like a tent i was like and then uh yeah so it's my point is this is you know it's very uh you know it's it's nicer than yours but it's also uh very much just a a token of appreciation
i'm so glad that people like you are around too like there weren't many early on i mean there were no conservatives on youtube and there were there were no right-leaning people freedom-minded people just dominated by edgy atheists and i appreciate you guys are willing to have conversations with with everybody um sometimes it gets heated and that's always really fun because i can see your eyes shift a little bit where you're like this mother but you still keep it bright see i the thing it's interesting you mentioned that because i definitely know my eyes go like that but they i only really see we really genuinely are interested in everyone's perspectives now some people's perspectives are crazy and wrong but it's worth having the conversation when i get uh when i go hard at people is when they break the rules of the conversation the rule of conversation is you talk i talk and we engage with what each other is saying yeah some people don't do that what they do is dodge interrupt and and i have to say our recent experiences are pretty consistent which is it's only the progressive left that really does that uh with everyone else you can have a discussion uh but we're going to keep doing we're going to
keep inviting people on from all over the spectrum because we think there's value on that and by the way if you want to talk about you know getting to the truth interrogating each other's ideas and ideas from across the political spectrum is worth it for that reason it's i think it's why uh change my mind works so well because that is a discussion about the ideas ultimately now it's entertaining and some people are retarded and blah blah blah We're allowed to say retarded now, too. Yeah, we are. You're welcome. It's always been my favorite word. Because we were suspended. Isn't it fun, too, the lawsuit to a change of mind?
That's going to be, you know, watching that on CNN. They did Jubilees Change My Mind with James Tallarico. And by the way, a lot of people have copied kind of the format and stuff. Like, people go, well, you can't trademark debate. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not. If I were to go out and AI creates two of you, Constantine and Francis, and have a set like this and call it trigonometry, that would be a problem. Not people just sitting down and having a conversation, let alone a novel format. But it's just funny. They had the same font and color. And it's like, I was just thinking about it. CNN, the most trusted name in news, literally couldn't come up with a name.
They just had to take it from someone else. That shows you that legacy media is largely irrelevant. And I'm hoping that as, it's not really new media now, but I guess you would just say online media. I'm concerned about the direction. Two reasons. One, the left are Marxists, and that is something that I firmly believe I warn against it all the time. If you want to understand the left, look at everything through the lens of Marxism. Who's the oppressor? Who's the oppressed? It's the only way you can make sense of it. It's the only way you can make sense of an LGBTQ flag, but then also a free, you know, from the river to the sea.
It's the only way you can make sense of the logical inconsistencies. They view the world through the lens of Marxism, and I absolutely, when people say we need unity on the right, what does that mean? To me, it means fighting the left. And I know people say, that's just fear-mongering. Okay, that's what needs to be unified, is fighting the left because anything they touch, they destroy. And I'm hoping that as we move forward, we see all this fracturing stuff going on in online media. I'm hoping that shows like yours went out and not, you know, like the clickbait stuff that we were talking about.
And I'm not just talking about those hosts, but the same thing that you see on X and Instagram and the real culture. Like, we are looking at a fork where the internet could continue to be a really cool place that renders legacy media irrelevant that part has largely happened or dead internet theory could become a reality and that's that's scary so i hope you guys you know keep doing it well thanks man but it's also up to people i mean the reality is and you we've come all the way full circle to the start of the conversation podcasts are now i know a lot of people in our space that literally sit down and plan out the podcast conversation down to every single question and they're like and i'm gonna ask this because that will create this clip and so now i thought this whole space was for this right yeah long-form conversation agree disagree discuss then bring someone on from different but now we're getting into clip culture 2.0 like woke 1.0 now we've got clip culture 2.0 where people are going into a long-form conversation to create a clip so that they can go on and it's so easy to do yeah like look ask me okay well let's do a little thought exercise here ask me a question any question i'll show you i'll show you how if i wanted to be a charlatan um like if
i wanted to be dishonest assuming you believe that i'm a what do you think about the iran war do you mean the iran war that was orchestrated and funded by the jews now you do one are you optimistic for america i would be optimistic for america if we weren't beholden to and controlled by bb net and yahoo it's super fucking easy to do it's just anyone can do well what i find funny is that Nick Fuentes was like the Israel derangement. So like he was saying there are people now who have Israel derangement syndrome. I know, yeah. Which actually is your point, which is once people catch on to the fact that something, some retarded idea gets attention online, then everyone starts repeating the retarded idea.
That's what pisses me off more than anything. Yeah, well, it's just really easy to do. Okay, let's do it with Charlie Kirk. Go ahead and ask me a question because we've talked about these big things. Did Erica Kirk kill Charlie Kirk? Well, I am not saying that she killed Erica Kirk, But isn't it odd that she wore leather pants at his funeral and the person who came out and signed a sworn statement, not in court, mind you, said that Erica Kirk planned to kill Charlie Kirk? what do you say to that person whose name I can't give you and whose face I can't show you? Right? Anything. It's way easier.
Your jobs would be way easier. I've been doing what I do for a very long time, and people can say I'm stubborn. I'm not going to change it, but that is what you're up against. And it's super, super easy to do. And that's why you see a bunch of Johnny-come-latelys going, oh, great. So when you're like these people who maybe espoused facts before, there are some of those, and there are a lot of people who just popped up and they're doing exactly what I just did with you. Well, maybe that's a better way to think about it. It's just entertainment for people who want that. You know, it's not actual factual discussion, but that comes back to your point, which is individual people who watch stuff are going to have to make a decision.
Do you want to watch things whose mission is truth-seeking or do you want to watch entertainment? 99% of them will choose entertainment. Well, and the funny thing is our show is, I mean, I don't know if you've seen, Like, we brought in several metric tons of sand to do a parody of Saving Private Ryan. We had a parody of Darkest Hour, like There Will Be Blood. We have at least four or five sketches. I mean, our overhead is millions of dollars because we created a television show online as opposed to most podcasts are radio. Again, my influences were people like Letterman. So it is far more entertaining, and we treat people like adults who can understand the difference between, you know, Josh doing a George Bush impression calling the states on election night and a factual claim that I make.
And that's why we provide overlays. And that's why we try and give people references. But, you know, okay, doing this before we go to the questions here. The Israel thing.
being reductive because I go well it's a life and you're aborting a life I go well a man can't become a woman this is one of those topics where the left believes in nuance for everything until there's an issue that actually requires nuance right they believe in nuance for everything
But then, of course, they don't believe in it when there is no nuance. Like, well, there's nuance with gender. Okay, explain it to me. They can't answer it at all. But then with this issue, they just go genocide. You mentioned that. Like, I get it. By the way, your heart breaks for anyone. I don't want to end on this, but your heart breaks for someone. Someone has a black dog. The word genocide is for a cop. Why do you have a coal miner as your AD? I get him out. Like, I get it. And it's horrible. And your heart breaks when you see what's going on. Yes. but it's a pretty shitty genocide if you look at the percentage of population like i would imagine that that uh hitler would be very upset if there were six million more jews than when he started he'd probably have to have a follow guy like him like i forgot the carries a one something like that like that's he'd do a bit of ranting he'd be unhappy yeah he would be definitely like it's always some mundane details six million newtons not a mundane detail i would imagine that uh he would not be happy with that if he set out with the goal and by the way hitler's bad well done for most of the time yeah let's just be clear i mean i'm sure he did like some things
that were like i'm sure every now and then he walked the dog and okay good for hitler walking so i don't want to make the simple reductive statement but as a general rule i'm not will i'm not afraid to take the the unpopular position i'm anti-hitler um i would imagine that if hitler set out with the stated goal of exterminating the Jews and there were more than when he started, he, so not me, I bet you he would tell you that it was a failure. Just an opinion. But we'll never know because God rest his soul, he left us too soon. He was inappropriate. What's one thing we're not talking about that we really should be?
Before Stephen answers the final question, it's going to take about half an hour by the way at the end of the interview go to triggerpod.co.uk where you'll be able to see this if i have the guy with the biggest biceps smaller biceps you got 20 bigger biceps my biceps are 33 bigger than you congratulations i'm the guy with the bigger biceps can you describe some of the stealth effort efforts to discredit or compromise you honeypot financial gain bribes false leads give me the dirt what's the one thing we're not talking about that we really should be choose uh no uh what's the one thing that they get a lot of attention you know what it is um you know that caller daddy podcast yes i'm aware yeah they had uh kamala harris on there's a kamala i've just i've just you know it's fine because i go back and forth and then remembering the right i can't remember which one is it's uh that you know people talk about feminism quite a bit i do think most of our audience will be extremely unfamiliar with call her daddy podcast what is it well then that's a problem they have a blind spot because it's like the most popular female podcast out there that's what um um oh yeah you want me to uh summarize
what it is yeah uh dumb telling women to be slutty okay uh it's like yeah it's like if world market if their little like home sweet home was just like bang every guy you see so uh why are you against that anyway cara well come on now come on i see oh yeah you're christian conservative yes i am and And I'm happily married. Right. I'm just pretending to be a real girl. No, no, that's okay. You're trying to do the edgy thing. Exactly. Not everyone has to be Nick Fuentes, Constantine. It's okay to be yourself. It's going to be hard for me to be Nick Fuentes, I feel. Hey, Nick Fuentes lives in you.
No, so women... That's fucking worrying. There's a gay Mexican inside me, all right? What's with you and the gay... Whatever, whatever. Okay. Back to Call Her Daddy. Feminism is a problem. Feminism is how Marxism has definitely gotten a hold in the Western world. And I don't just mean, okay, women wanting to be able to go and go to school, whatever. I'm talking about the breakdown of gender norms. The breakdown of male-female roles and how they function in society. This shocked Dave Rubin. He was on my show in like 2016, I think. He was like, well, you know, you're conservative, but you're more of a libertarian like me.
for example, I know you'd support same-sex marriage. I said, no, I don't. It sounds like Kermit the Frog, though. A little bit. He said, no, I don't. He goes, what? I said, yeah, I don't. I'm against it. If you want to have civil unions, fine. I said, but I think that marriage is an institution that exists because we wanted to recognize a nuclear family as a central building block of the American way of life. And I don't think that men and women are fundamentally interchangeable. And if you declare that they are, there's nothing a mother brings to a child that two fathers can't, and vice versa, I think that you're not going to like the gender-bending slope that you slide down.
So, no, I'm against it. And it also, by the way, the same reason I'm against it is entirely consistent with, I do believe when people say interracial marriage, this used to be their arguments, is I believe that a black mom can provide everything to a child that a white mom can. Most of. You know, maybe not like, you know, cholesterol-lowering food. Like, you know, things to be fried. But I don't believe that a black dad and a white dad are worlds apart. I believe that a mom and a dad are. Okay. So that's why I say feminism started that, breaking down of the gender norms. And you can't say, yeah, yeah, yeah, whoever gets married, that's all fine. Love is love. And then have a problem with people declaring themselves to be another gender. I think it's very difficult to stake your claim there. But as it goes back to feminism, I use that because it's the biggest example. I'm trying to think of other big shows.
Young women have no good examples to look up to. We talk about men very often, and it's true. But true, men are lacking a lot of good examples. But here's the thing. Men can kind of cobble it together from different people because there's usually something good. Like, I've heard you talk about Andrew Tate. And I've never had him on the show. I don't know enough about the court case. I know that I would disagree with him on a whole lot. But he was a world champion kickboxer. and some of his advice is get your shit together, get in shape. Instead of bitching about what the world owes you, get your finances together, make yourself someone that would be desirable to a woman.
I think that all of us would go, okay, that part, a young man wouldn't be worse off taking that advice. Same thing you look at Joe Rogan. I'm not into the DMT thing and stuff like that. Some of the things he says, I disagree with. But he also is a self-made person who came from a pretty rough upbringing, and he talks about opportunity, pulling herself up by her bootstraps. He talks about living a strenuous life. In other words, there are good things you could take from that. The Call Her Daddy podcast, and it's very typical of most of these, there is nothing good for women to pull from. It's sleep with as many men as you want, put off marriage and having a family, be a boss bitch, and if the guy doesn't want you, it's his problem and he has no right to ask your body count.
And the only counter that you have to it is sort of the Femcon. I think Andrew Wilson was on your show. They talk about on the right where they claim to be traditional, but it's a gimmick. And ultimately, they still have these crazy, unrealistic expectations of men and don't hold women accountable. Women, young women, have no good examples available to them in mainstream media culture and many really bad examples being jammed down their throat. And that is something that people are going to have to reconcile at some point. We've had a few women on the show who are really good. Louise Perry, Mary Harrington, Frendi, but these are people who are not huge names.
And I also think part of it, even with those people, the reason that some of them are not huge names, I mean, there's many reasons that I can't speak for. I haven't seen them. I can guarantee you some of them aren't hot. Well, that is something I'm definitely not going to comment on. Some of them. You don't have to say which one. I guarantee you that at least one of them is not a bigger name because they're not hot. Actually, what I was going to say, you're wrong. What I was going to say... They're all hot. Got it. I'm going to go back and check those names. You do it. The reason that they're not actually big is quite often that what you are talking about, which is what you would describe as a healthy and productive way for a woman to be, necessarily means she's unlikely to be a content creator and influencer because they're doing what my wife is doing, which is being a mom and a wife. Right. Right. And I think that's partly a structure. You mean a tool of a patriarchy. That's right. Right. Tool or victim? No, victim of the patriarchy. Right. Well. Oh, no, she's worse. She's a tool. Yeah. You have her plowing the field. Do I? You should. Yeah. I don't. I need to get a field. Then I get a field.
First, note to self, get field, then have woman plow it. Your point is better inspiration for young women and better messaging for young women. No, my point is they're not. Yeah. Yeah, and I say that, I mean, go look for them. Yeah. And a big part of it is that women choose to elevate these people. But here's the big thing is men will hold men accountable in a way that women don't tend to. Lindsay Clancy was a real, a lot of people said, were these bitches always as crazy? I go, yes. Not all of them, but more than you ever knew before. About half of Western women. Let's call it 30%. Yes. Yes. Many of them think that Lindsay Clancy is innocent and that she deserves sympathy and that you're a part of the patriarchy.
Look, no jurors were willing to find that person guilty, except the black guy, which just screwed their whole plan. But the one thing that I love about that is remember we were all like, oh, this poor lone holdout juror who was henpecked, black guy, couldn't have cared less. Like, I don't give a fuck. He was probably making them give presentations. He's like, yeah, why don't you show me again why she's innocent? Bitch, get the fuck out of here. So yeah, it's men will, I mean, men in war, you have to hold men accountable, right? Men have to hold each other accountable. Hey, our friend died. What happened?
Who got it wrong? Missed a pass. Hey, you didn't catch it. You don't get to say, yeah, but I didn't mean to. And yeah, but intent. And yeah, how I feel. Men constantly go through life in scenarios where we are held to account, whether it's proactively done by our friend or not, the situation does. Women can go a very long period of time, and most do, without encountering that. And so it's very easy to sell a lie and a fantasy. And I say call her daddy because this is someone who said, you know, you should go out and sleep with as many guys and get that bag. And then, by the way, also believes in retroactively removing consent.
But she isn't living that way. She has a pretty wealthy husband or fiancé and is now having a child. So she's advocating, because this is what tells you is not how someone lives, it's what sells to women. what sells to women right now the market is really bad and there are no mainstream positive examples and so if we want to fix the gender gap here i mean i i run these things i'll say this i have something that i consistently reference in the show because i think everyone is saying how do we fix this right the loneliness epidemic loneliness epipen epidemic um men are checking out but they're checking out for the first time if you look at the the polling data men still want marriage and a family those are like their top top two things women it's like way down the list like number 10 11 there are two stats that matter because both sides say yeah it's actually you you have these crazy expectations and we're happy women go we're happier alone you have to compete with the fact that we have fulfilled lives and men are going no actually you have crazy expectations and we're fine with our hobbies one has to be right this comes to truth we have the end beyond any shadow of a doubt the data and i run these two graphs i believe they're both graphs on screen
all the time there was one study where they had many many women thousands i think hundreds of thousands i can't remember how many rate men on a scale from one to ten and then they had men rate scale, rate women on a scale from 1 to 10. Now this goes to Has more unrealistic standards. Men rated the women, and it looked like a perfect bell curve. The women rated the men, and it was a reverse hockey stick. Over 80% of the men were below statistical average, at which point average is a meaningless word. And then, so we have the answer. Who has more unrealistic expectations? Women. It's not even close. Then we look at, okay, the loneliness epidemic who's happier compared to men you can look at this chart women are consistently less happy and they're becoming less happy by the year while men are at the same rate or slightly happier so we promised young women that they could have it all and uh they did get everything except happiness and except fulfillment and we can't correct it by brow beating men or by telling men that you know what you need to listen more and you know we need to approach this from a feminine angle everything that we have done which has been uh tainted with feminism since the 1960s
it's made women more delusional and it's made them significantly less happy so if you want men to stop checking out of the dating pool if we want to have a country if we want to have babies there needs to be a conversation with women and it needs to come from women because no vagina no opinion unless you're trans there we go steven thank you so much for coming on head on over to triggerpod.co.uk Okay, well, we're going to ask Stephen your questions. Oh, boy. Is there an area of modern life where you think the free market genuinely fails to produce a satisfactory outcome? And what would you do about it?
